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[ Daily Tolkien ] All About Orcs - Twelve Orkish Statements
Barrow Downs ^ | February 10, 2003 | George Lashkhi

Posted on 02/19/2003 4:30:37 AM PST by JameRetief

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1 posted on 02/19/2003 4:30:37 AM PST by JameRetief
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Your Daily Tolkien Ping!

Coming from many sources, these articles cover many aspects of Tolkien and his literary works. If anyone would like for me to ping them directly when I post articles such as this let me know. Enjoy!

2 posted on 02/19/2003 4:31:23 AM PST by JameRetief
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To: JameRetief
umm... you guys know this is all make-believe, right...?


OUCH ! OUCH oof!^&()_ OW cut it out!!! OK OK I'll stop!!!


3 posted on 02/19/2003 5:53:54 AM PST by Mr. K (all your (OPTIONAL TAG LINE) are belong to us)
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To: Mr. K
umm... you guys know this is all make-believe, right...?

"Harry Potter" is make-believe, and quite entertaining. "The Illiad" and "Lord of the Rings" are mythology, and also teach us while they entertain.

As a scholar, Tolkien lamented the destruction of whatever original mythology England might have had. So he decided to create one suitable for the country he loved so much. The books are only the tip of the iceberg, which includes a cosmology, history, and complete languages.

It's monumental effort over the course of his adult life, and a tribute to his scholarship and dedication. The story-behind-the-story holds valuable lessons for us, too.

4 posted on 02/19/2003 6:28:09 AM PST by 300winmag
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To: 300winmag
Yes, I know- I enjoy them all very much- but I posted a similar reply in another thread and YOU WOULD NOT BELIEVE the anger I got in reply! (it was just an attempt to tweak people for fun)
5 posted on 02/19/2003 6:36:56 AM PST by Mr. K (all your (OPTIONAL TAG LINE) are belong to us)
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To: Mr. K
Yes, I know- I enjoy them all very much- but I posted a similar reply in another thread and YOU WOULD NOT BELIEVE the anger I got in reply! (it was just an attempt to tweak people for fun)

I don't feel angry, or tweaked, and I didn't attribute any ill intent toward you.

I don't consider Tolkien to be sacred scripture, but I do consider it great literature. Even Shakespeare is "make believe", but it contains much of value. Heck, even some of the Saturday cartoons have value.

The thing that concerned me were all the hippies proclaiming Tolkien's books as religious text. They must have read the Cliff's Notes version while stoned.

If you want a real firestorm, make fun of women who read romances.

6 posted on 02/19/2003 9:43:33 AM PST by 300winmag
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To: Mr. K
umm... you guys know this is all make-believe, right...?

And, so indeed, are you, for are not trolls purely mythical? Ergo, you are make-believe, and don't exist, either.

Maybe you are one of those philistines who thinks that Shakespeare is nothing more than ink on paper, that Mozart is just a bunch of musical notes, that a Stradivarius is merely wood and varnish, etc...

A troll, and a philistine, who thinks he is "funny", and who endlessly spams the Hobbit Holes threads with the same post.

There are two theories about trolls..."don't feed the troll" posits the idea that if you ignore them, they will go away; the opposite theory is that if exposed to sunlight, they will turn into stone...

7 posted on 02/19/2003 11:45:44 AM PST by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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To: 300winmag
Don't waste your time talking to this troll (unless you enjoy it!). See the previous Hobbit Hole thread; he keeps posting the same thing, then he pretends to be "shocked" and "surprised" when he gets a negative reaction. In reality, he is getting precisely the kind of reaction he wants, else he wouldn't keep doing it over and over.

Indeed, this is classic troll behavior, and the mental self-justifications, self-righteous moral preenings, and the "aw shucks, I were just joshing; you folks need to lighten up" attitude are all very troll-like, predictable, and boring. All trolls act like this, and they are always perfectly convinced of their own "sincerity".

Not that I care; I enjoy tweaking fools and trolls just as much, sometimes, as they enjoy bothering people who have no interest in their boorish and allegedly "humorous" opinions.

8 posted on 02/19/2003 11:54:08 AM PST by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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Oh lighten up everyone.... I don't think Mr. K meant anything by it, except to arouse a little sense of humor. If we keep on treating him like a troll, he may eventually turn into one for real....

Mr. K., I've met trolls, and you are no troll...right? ;^)

9 posted on 02/19/2003 12:05:27 PM PST by rightwingreligiousfanatic (HHD)
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This again? - Can't we all just get along?

Mr. K.... If you want to play on our thread tomorrow, you must promise to read the article and say something nice.
10 posted on 02/19/2003 12:10:35 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
Don't waste your time talking to this troll (unless you enjoy it!). See the previous Hobbit Hole thread; he keeps posting the same thing, then he pretends to be "shocked" and "surprised" when he gets a negative reaction. In reality, he is getting precisely the kind of reaction he wants, else he wouldn't keep doing it over and over.

Despite my reading all the Tolkien threads I can find, I haven't come across this particular person before. Maybe he's a troll, maybe he isn't. All I saw was an opionion that I thought needed some comment. I didn't want a lurker to come by, and see it unanswered. I've said just about all I can reasonably say on the matter, so I won't be posting any more here, except for this, as an explanation.

11 posted on 02/19/2003 12:39:13 PM PST by 300winmag
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Ring Ping!!

12 posted on 02/19/2003 1:33:55 PM PST by ecurbh (HHD)
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Orcs are Lib'ral DemonRATS, IMHO...MUD
13 posted on 02/19/2003 1:34:35 PM PST by Mudboy Slim (Git the US Outta the UN...and Git Ashcroft Outta the DOJ!!!)
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To: 300winmag
Despite my reading all the Tolkien threads I can find, I haven't come across this particular person before.

Well, he has posted the exact same stupid comment on a couple other threads recently. He's like a child that thinks it is hilarious to recite the same joke over and over.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/841455/posts?page=5#5
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/845818/posts?page=3#3

14 posted on 02/19/2003 1:44:30 PM PST by ecurbh (HHD)
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To: JameRetief
What are you, some kind of diversity-expert? Kill em all is what I think. Just Orcs...
15 posted on 02/19/2003 6:56:35 PM PST by kcar
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To: ecurbh
Great read, thanks!
16 posted on 02/20/2003 6:09:53 AM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: HairOfTheDog
Okay

*smiles*
17 posted on 02/20/2003 11:01:26 AM PST by Mr. K (all your (OPTIONAL TAG LINE) are belong to us)
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To: 300winmag
LOL- thanks for (sort of) coming to my defense VBWC seems to have a REAL bug up his (or her) hiney. And I am FROM BUFFALo and ate some chicken wings LAST NIGHT!!!

To set the record straight I will make a full disclosure here:

There was a detailed Tolkein post that went on about history and families, etc.. about 10 days ago.

I get a little bit of a kick out of Tolkein fanatics, so I replied to this post saying "um...you guys know this is all make believe, right?"- but it was all in fun (I thought)

I got told to take a hike by a very rude individual, so of course I did it again in the next thread.

Well you would think I called Bill Gates a Linux Lover (don't get me started on the Linux people!!!!!)

So, that's it folks. Two little posts saying "Um.. you know this is make believe, right" and I am called a liar (not reading the books, a troll (whatever..) as if I had been a LOTR basher all my life. I swear I love the books! I just think some people take it a LITTLE TOO seriously. (as evidenced by you-know-who)

Some people have a serious valium defeciency, and unless you all play as nice as HotD and 300winmag I am going to make a very nasty face at you behind your back.

18 posted on 02/20/2003 11:12:45 AM PST by Mr. K (all your (OPTIONAL TAG LINE) are belong to us)
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see my reply above and have a great day all!
19 posted on 02/20/2003 11:14:14 AM PST by Mr. K (all your (OPTIONAL TAG LINE) are belong to us)
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To: Mr. K
Hey, I was nice too! I knew you weren't a troll....
20 posted on 02/20/2003 1:20:23 PM PST by rightwingreligiousfanatic (HHD)
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