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Shuttle Disaster, Could this have been an act of terrorism?
STS-107 "Columbia" Loss FAQ v2.0.3 ^ | Updated 7:30Pm 2/12/03 | B0b Mosley

Posted on 02/13/2003 4:00:37 PM PST by analyst2

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To: bribriagain
Did you hear that they had foam/ice come off of the external fuel tank 2 flights back and wack one of the SRB's so hard it dented it pretty bad? Some people at NASA called for grounding the shuttles because of this.

All the garbage will eventually come out. Too many people know too many things.

41 posted on 02/13/2003 5:37:44 PM PST by isthisnickcool
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To: analyst2
We have a 1600 post thread with all this analysis. It should answer your questions and will show where we are in the analysis.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/835531/posts?page=1603#1603

42 posted on 02/13/2003 5:39:28 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: wirestripper
If it is not filled with insulation, and the sensor wires are melting at >500 degrees, with a tile missing, causing an open "hole" to a 3000 degree furnace, I would expect a whole lot more than 10-40 degrees over a few minutes registered at the thermocouples.

This leads me back to crack or penetration, which (one possibility) couple be sabatoge.
43 posted on 02/13/2003 5:40:24 PM PST by analyst2
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To: analyst2
"As I hurtled through space, one thought kept crossing my mind – every part of this capsule was supplied by the lowest bidder." John Glen, Astronaut.
44 posted on 02/13/2003 5:41:22 PM PST by Cultural Jihad (FWIW)
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To: isthisnickcool
I believe you are refering to one of the earlier flights (back in the 80s) where the loss of tile actually started melting (not denting) one of the struts. The engineer thought that it was a few seconds from disaster.

As I understand, they completely redid the TPS system after this.
45 posted on 02/13/2003 5:44:03 PM PST by analyst2
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To: wirestripper
I've read every one of the 1600 posts :-)

I agree with the analysis that the wing glove folded and the wheel well became the leading edge, and hat perhaps this was caused by two hits of ET debris.

(The two hits being approximately where the arrows are )

But what troubles me, (and my field is Robotics) is this doesn't fit the sensor data. I think it troubles NASA too.

Also I didn't see an explaination why the Wing glove would collapse *ahead* of the debris hit.

46 posted on 02/13/2003 5:48:57 PM PST by analyst2
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To: analyst2
The info. is from someone that will be working for Raytheon soon. I was also told that the Israeli crew member was on the flight deck instead of below as was the plan. They change seats sometimes. And that one of the crew members emailed his wife that they could see the damage to the leading edge of the left wing. Other stuff too.

True? Rumors? Time will tell.

47 posted on 02/13/2003 5:53:17 PM PST by isthisnickcool
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To: isthisnickcool
>> they could see the damage to the leading edge of the left wing.

My supposition is that any damage they could have seen would have caused a whole lot more trouble before they even reached the coast California than a few degrees in a couple thermocouples. The whole wing is (almost) hollow!
48 posted on 02/13/2003 5:59:16 PM PST by analyst2
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To: analyst2
I believe the wing glove supports were compromised, but recall that this particular theory of the glove comes from a image taken in NM, shortly before breakup. Secondly, the image sucks and is difficult to analyze.
49 posted on 02/13/2003 6:02:53 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: analyst2
Too bad Jimmah Carter cut the program back years ago and because of that they could not afford to use titanium instead of aluminum.
50 posted on 02/13/2003 6:03:41 PM PST by isthisnickcool
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To: analyst2
Those thermo couples that registered heat increase and continued to work, were on the hydraulic return lines for the brakes. We do no know where exactly they were located.

I believe they were responding to radiant heating of the gear. There fore, they would not show large increases if the skin over the gear was failing. The penetration of plasma was not that deep. It looses energy fast when it no longer is in contact with the source heat. Since there is no air to speak of, the hollow wing can only get the heat from a radiant source or the aluminum can absorb it and it can travel that way. The sensors that sense these temps were off line.

51 posted on 02/13/2003 6:11:34 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Wolfstar
There seems to be a whole lot of things falling down this flight. I've seen several reports from NASA engineers saying it was an unusually large amount. But I haven't seen it quantified.

If a sniper bullet hit the wing and shreaded a tile, what kind of "debris" would it make?

If a sniper bullet bounced back and hit the booster it could also generate a large amount of foam. Something like that could easily be checked since they recover the boosters.

52 posted on 02/13/2003 6:11:54 PM PST by analyst2
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To: analyst2
I guess to target the left wing you would have to be standing in the tower, firing just before lift off (otherwise the air currents could prevent impact?)


53 posted on 02/13/2003 6:15:42 PM PST by analyst2
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To: analyst2
Any of that evidence would be collectable at the launch site. There is no evidence of anything like a sniper or any other kind of thing.
54 posted on 02/13/2003 6:15:48 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: analyst2
guess to target the left wing you would have to be standing in the tower, firing just before lift off (otherwise the air currents could prevent impact?)

LOL!

55 posted on 02/13/2003 6:17:08 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: wirestripper
>>We do not know where exactly they were located.

We know where the sensors were

And we know that the whole thing was basically hollow (even the wheel well appears to be struts as opposed a walled well


56 posted on 02/13/2003 6:21:19 PM PST by analyst2
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To: wirestripper
So what way (other than foam debris - this is discussed in its own thread) could the TPS in the Wing Glove area where it joins the HRSI, be cracked or penetrated (assuming that this is the correct explanation of the telemetry data).

I think a bunch of small cracks or sniper fire could explain what we know so far? meteors?
57 posted on 02/13/2003 6:28:37 PM PST by analyst2
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To: analyst2
There is no TPS on the wing glove. It is RCC(carbon,carbon) sections attached to a aluminum framework.

Personally I do not believe the problem began in the glove. I believe it began on the leading edge of the gear door. The glove was only involved just prior to breakup.(assuming it was)

The picture is terrible and I get little from it other that the shuttle was in trouble.

58 posted on 02/13/2003 6:37:18 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: wirestripper
FYI - From Reuters

They are clearly looking for alternatives to a missing tile

Hot Plasma May Have Invaded Shuttle -Investigators ..

By Deborah Zabarenko

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The extreme heat observed on the shuttle Columbia's left side during its fatal re-entry could have been caused by hot plasma penetrating the craft's wheel well, independent investigators said on Thursday.

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Plasma is the super-heated gas that surrounded the shuttle as it streaked toward a landing at Kennedy Space Center (news - web sites) on Feb. 1. Plasma typically envelops a fast-descending space shuttle, but this time, preliminary analysis indicates it may have gotten inside the spacecraft's protective surface.

"Preliminary analysis by a NASA (news - web sites) working group this week indicates that the temperature indications seen in Columbia's left wheel well during entry would require the presence of plasma," the Columbia Accident Investigation Board said in a statement forwarded by NASA.

However, the board said the heat was so excessive that it could not have been caused by the absence of just one missing tile in the last minutes of flight.

This is significant since questions have centered on the possibility that some of Columbia's heat-shielding tiles were knocked off by a piece of foam insulation that fell off the shuttle's external fuel tank about 80 seconds after launch, apparently striking the left wing.

The board said investigators were looking at other ways the shuttle's skin might have been breached to let plasma into the wheel well area or elsewhere in the wing.

They also discounted fears that a problem with the landing gear on the left side of the spacecraft might have caused the shuttle to disintegrate over Texas, as a NASA engineer suggested in an e-mail two days before the shuttle's demise.

PROBLEMS ON COLUMBIA'S LEFT SIDE

"Other flight data including gear position indicators and drag information does not support the scenario of an early deployment of the left gear," the board said.

The board's statement was distributed by NASA, which has already come under criticism for failing to keep its distance from the independent inquiry that was appointed just hours after Columbia broke apart.

After a bruising four-hour congressional hearing on Wednesday with just one witness -- NASA Administrator Sean O'Keefe -- the space agency amended the investigative board's charter to address concerns about its independence.

The search for debris from Columbia continued in Texas, where a preliminary analysis of low-frequency sound wave recordings indicated the shuttle exploded between the cities of Amarilla and Lubbock, about 330 miles west of Dallas.

The data from sensitive devices that record infrasound, or low-frequency sound waves inaudible by humans, was sent to NASA, said Eugene Herrin, a geophysicist at Southern Methodist University in Dallas.

Herrin said data indicates a single explosion over Texas. A monitoring station in New Mexico showed the spacecraft as being intact as it passed over that state, he said.

Scientists operate a worldwide system of infrasound detectors that record items such as sonic booms. The devices look for any disturbance in the atmosphere such as a nuclear blast, meteor flights or even hurricanes.

Herrin said the infrasound likely recorded the moment when the shuttle blew apart, but the findings were preliminary.

The search on the ground shifted to Anderson County, west of Nacogdoches, where most of the reported shuttle debris fell. Officials said they have likely found more parts from the shuttle's wings and are checking serial numbers on recovered parts to see if they came from the left wing.


59 posted on 02/13/2003 6:43:18 PM PST by analyst2
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To: wirestripper
Sorry, I meant RCC.

The picture shows plasma enveloping the shuttle.

They also discounted fears that a problem with the landing gear as a root cause based on (lack of severe) drag and the continued operability of the shuttle.
60 posted on 02/13/2003 6:47:12 PM PST by analyst2
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