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My son's a Fruit; Parents are giving kids strange names
ABCNEWS.com ^ | 2-04-03 | Buck Wolf

Posted on 02/04/2003 1:46:56 PM PST by Jimmyclyde

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To: MrB
I remember that character - a BATF agent. She used the initials "G.G." Her name was the result of the doctors at a state-run hopital trying to come up with demeaning names for poor minorities and tricking the mothers into using their suggestions.

Speaking of food-related names, I went to school with a boy named "Ladel".

41 posted on 02/04/2003 2:06:53 PM PST by Possenti
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No offense, but is this really BREAKING NEWS?
42 posted on 02/04/2003 2:08:27 PM PST by justshe (Eliminate Freepathons! Become a monthly donor. Only YOU can prevent Freepathons!)
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January 24, 2003 9:30 a.m.
Onomastic Diversity
The name game.

Résumés with white-sounding first names elicited 50 percent more responses than ones with black-sounding names, according to a study by professors at the University of Chicago Graduate School of Business and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. — Reported on CNN.com, 1/14/03. You can read the actual study for yourself here.

any years ago I was working as a kitchen porter for a firm of kosher caterers in New Rochelle, New York. We used to go out to temples and private houses all around, catering weddings and bar mitzvahs, and the occasional bris or shivah. In between time we made up frozen kosher TV dinners on big metal preparation tables, a little assembly-line process with eight or ten of us working together, this one putting in the brisket, that one the kasha, and so on. Most of the preparation for these TV dinners was done by middle-aged women making a minimum-wage buck while the kids were at school, but we heavy-lifters would be drafted in to help when there was nothing happening in the kitchen.

For a few days I worked at the preparation tables alongside a black lady from Louisiana whose name was Ada. She was around 40, and this was nearly 30 years ago, so I guess she had been born before WW2. Chatting together as we worked, we got to the point where we started exchanging life stories. Somewhere about here she mentioned in passing that "Ada" was only an abbreviation for her full given names. So what were the full names? I asked. She wouldn't tell me. I made a joke of this and passed it round. Pretty soon everyone was egging on Ada to tell us her full names. Ada was a lady of spirit, and put up a good resistance, but at last she cracked.

"My full names," she announced with great dignity, "are Adalee Idalee."

I thought, and still think, that there is poetry in those names. Adalee Idalee! Poetry? — there is music there. You could write a song about Adalee Idalee. If Chuck Berry had ever met this woman, I bet he would have done. "Adalee Idalee, oh! what you do to me..." And yet, of course, I would never even think of giving a child of my own a name anything like that.

Why not? Here you crash up against the imponderables of culture and tradition, of folkways. White people from England just don't call their kids "Adalee Idalee." It's not our style. Even in the United States, where conventions are looser, you only find names like that in the south. You only really find them at full stretch among southern blacks. Southern whites go some way in the same direction, but nothing like as far. The black/white difference here is roughly the same as that between the Silly Party, whose candidate in the Monty Python Election Night sketch was Tarquin Fin-tim-lin-bin-whin-bim-lim Bus Stop F'tang F'tang Olé Biscuitbarrel, and the Slightly Silly Party, represented by Kevin Phillips Bong. I have just been reading a photo-biography of Hank Williams, subtitled Snapshots from the Lost Highway. It includes a group photograph of his mother's family, poor whites in Garland, Alabama, around 1930. The given names are as follows: Hank, Ralph, Vollie Mae, Taft, Ollie Rae, J.C., Opal, Irene, Bernice, Marie, Lillie, Walter, Alice, Walter Jr., "Mrs. Ed," Ed, Eddie Lee, Letch, Bill, Zell, "Mrs. John," Bob, and Grover. My own children's forenames, for the record, are Eleanor Muriel — "Nellie" — and Daniel Oliver — "Ollie."

These patterns go way back. In his book The American Language, H. L. Mencken reports that black Americans of his time (I am working from the 1936 edition) tended to extremes in awarding names to their children. Many — "the educated portion," says Mencken — stuck firmly to the plainest American-English names like Frederick, James, Wilbur and George. However, when black Americans departed from this norm, they did so very wildly.

Medical men making a malaria survey of Northampton County, North Carolina, staggered back to civilization with the news that they had found male Aframericans named Handbag Johnson, Squirrel Bowes, Prophet Ransom, Bootjack Webb, and Solicitor Ransom, and females named Alimenta, Iodine, Zooa, Negolia, Abolena, Arginta. and Dozine.

Not all the wacky names arose from free choice, if Mencken can be believed.

The young brethren who deliver colored mothers in the vicinity of the Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore sometimes induce the mothers to give their babies grandiose physiological and pathological names, but these are commonly expunged later on by watchful social workers and colored pastors. Placenta, Granuloma, and Gonadia, however, seem to have survived in a few places.

In more recent times, those black Americans who want their kids to stand out from the general run of Michaels and Lindas (or, to be more up to date, Kyles and Ashleys) have developed a stock of names that either express ethnic pride in some way ("Ebony," for example, or "Tawnee"), or are derived from Swahili ("Barika," which means "successful") or Arabic ("Rasheed," which means "righteous"), or are just made up ("Davon," "Tashira," etc.). There is also a scattering of European names favored solely by blacks. If you find yourself on the phone with a Tyrone or a Clarence or a Letitia, you can be 99 percent sure it is a black person. (Though "Clarence" will be at least 40 years old — this name seems to have dropped out of favor in the 1960s.)

Other ethnic groups have a few trademark names, though nothing like to the extent black Americans do. I don't have much experience with Americans from the Indian subcontinent, but in the U.K., every other young man of that ancestry has the name "Neil." This is because "Anil" is a common Indian boy's name. (It's the Hindu god of wind — not surprising so many babies get stuck with it.) On the other hand, in this area, my wife recently had a boss she used to talk about a lot over the dinner table, named Joanne. I didn't realize this person was from India until I took a phone call one day from a person with a thick subcontinental accent: "This is Joanne..."

Among my large circle of American acquaintances from China, half the little girls seem to have been awarded either "Amy" (sounds like "pretty" in Chinese) or "Anna" (sounds like "peace") as an American name. Another subset has weird, off the wall given names, usually self-selected: I know a Teley, a Hugy, a Jacoba, and a Soff. One of the stars of the ten-pin bowling circuit in Hong Kong circa 1972 rejoiced in the name Hitler Wong.* This striving for originality is understandable, though. Chinese has only a small stock of last names, with an even smaller number of them heavily over-used. There are supposed to be about 85 million Zhangs; if they all seceded and formed a nation of their own, it would have more citizens than Germany. If I say "Nixon," or "Churchill," you know, within context, who I am talking about. This can hardly ever be done in Chinese, so originality in forenames is important. This used to be widely appreciated**, but in recent years, with the rising fashion for one-syllable given names, things are getting very confusing, and the whole system has broken down badly. When the PA announcer at Beijing airport asks Mr. Zhang Li to report to the information desk, half the young men in the departure lounge head over there.

As Mencken shows, some groups have always been more willing than others to stamp their allegiance to Anglo-Saxon-Celtic culture on their name cards. Of 19th-century immigrants, he notes that Sephardic Jews were much more likely to hold on to Solomon, Nathan, and Isaac than the Ashkenazi were to Yosel, Yankel, and Ruven. Of the latter group, he says: "Presently their sons burst forth as Sidney, Irving, Milton, Stanley, and Monroe. Their grandsons are John, Charles, Harold, James, Edward..." (Their great-grandchildren are of course Erin, Siobhan, and Conor, a very peculiar phenomenon much remarked on — the Hibernicization of American Jewry, perhaps deriving from a desire to sound goy without sounding WASP.) Similar differences can be seen today. It seems to me that Chinese and Indian immigrants are much readier to take up Anglo names than are, say, Hispanics, Haitians, or Muslim Arabs.

Or blacks. The persistence of "black names" is at least in part a side effect of the great multicultural project of this past 30 years, an outgrowth of ethnic pride and a declaration of ethnic separatism, of "diversity." For blacks who want to be upwardly mobile, the consequences are mildly negative, as the Chicago-MIT study shows. A lot of employers are reluctant to hire blacks. Possibly there is some racism here. A bigger factor, I am sure, is the affirmative-action deficit — the suspicion that whatever references or qualifications a black applicant might present to an interviewer were obtained in part through racial favoritism or intimidation. And a much bigger factor is the simple fear of crippling lawsuits.

Whatever the reason, this is, as I said, unfair to a large number of Americans. The world, however, has a lot of petty unfairnesses of this kind built in to it. You can, if you choose, spend all your time seething about them or confronting them. If, on the other hand, you would prefer to just get on with life, you can dodge nimbly round most of these minor obstacles with very little effort. If I were a black American who wanted to get ahead in an honest career, I would trade in "Davon" for "David." That, of course, would be "acting white"; but at least I would be able to repent my act of racial treason from the comfort of a good job and a decent income.

 

* Not necessarily an endorsement of the Austrian corporal's policies. There was a spell in the 1930s when Chiang Kai-shek's government in China was getting a lot of military assistance and help from Germany, and some flattering biographies of Hitler were circulating in China. Chinese people who did not follow subsequent events very closely ended up with a vague feeling of warm admiration for Hitler.

** And generated its own problems. Chinese is, as everyone knows, not written alphabetically. To write Chinese, you use complicated little squiggles, and there are thousands of the darn things. Only about 4,000 are actually current, and I doubt any Chinese person carries more than 6,000 in his head. If you dig around in old books, however, you can turn up far more characters, some of them used just once in the entire 3,000-year history of the written Chinese language. Father Wieger, to whom I resort for information on this sort of thing (but who was writing 80 years ago) says the following: "The dictionary of Kangxi [compiled in A.D. 1716] contains 40,000 characters that may be plainly divided as follows: 4,000 characters in common use; 2,000 doubles and proper names of limited use; 34,000 monstrosities of no practical use." Those monstrosities are very tempting to a certain kind of mentality, though, and bookish Chinese people sometimes make a nuisance of themselves by giving their children really obscure characters as names. When you come across these in reading, or on business cards, you have to find a humongous scholarly dictionary and look them up. Since the written language is not phonetic, unless you do this, you have no idea how to pronounce the name!

 

     


 

 
http://www.nationalreview.com/derbyshire/derbyshire012403.asp
     


43 posted on 02/04/2003 2:11:20 PM PST by MoralSense
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To: Jimmyclyde
I met a man in Texas whose first name was Rumplestiltskin(sp?). This was back in 1985 and he was probably in his 40's at the time.
44 posted on 02/04/2003 2:13:48 PM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: MrB
Ghonoria & Sy-Phyllis!

Favorite one I learned about the time I started hanging around here and the Miss America pageant was going on:

"Misty Dawn Clymer"
45 posted on 02/04/2003 2:14:35 PM PST by johnb838 (Bush gets it)
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To: Jimmyclyde
Le'monjello
Assh-ole
Shith-ead
46 posted on 02/04/2003 2:14:55 PM PST by philman_36
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To: Freakazoid
There are a bunch of people out there legally named "Baby", which I assume they acquired the same way one acquires the name "Female" or "Male"
47 posted on 02/04/2003 2:16:44 PM PST by johnb838 (Bush gets it)
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To: Whitebread
Hey, As-wee-pay ! Watch your language!
48 posted on 02/04/2003 2:17:56 PM PST by ovrtaxt
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To: HEY4QDEMS
Anus is Latin for old woman.
49 posted on 02/04/2003 2:18:07 PM PST by Caesar Soze
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To: Freakazoid
I've seen Female before. "Hosital named my baby"

Other favorites:

Placenta - "Heard it in the delivery room and thought it was pretty"

Brain - Mom didn't know how to spell Brian.
50 posted on 02/04/2003 2:22:54 PM PST by lizma
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To: lizma
My pastor once advised us-- if we're looking at biblical names for our kids, we should steer clear of "Epaphroditus."

51 posted on 02/04/2003 2:25:00 PM PST by ovrtaxt
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To: Jimmyclyde
Whatever happened to good, solid, old-fashioned names like Caspar Weinberger? :)

Really, this reminds me of a time back in college. Sitting with my friend Marianna (still the best set of legs I've ever seen), and me and another guy were laughing over the name "Mike Hunt." (think about it) She didn't get it. She kept saying it aloud, over and over, louder and louder, util there were about 6 or 7 rows of people staring at her, while I was trying my best not to burst out laughing.

Then she got it.

Then she punched me. Hard. ;) Ah, memries....

52 posted on 02/04/2003 2:31:12 PM PST by TheBigB (Illiterate? Write for free help!)
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To: TXnMA
My wife has been an elementary spec ed teacher for many years and has collected a number of great names. There have been not one, but two Shitheads (Shi-THEE-id and SHI-theeid) several Placentas, this year there is a Tyvek (like on the new house insulation). Female(fee-molly)seems to be an established traditional name now; there is at least one in the school every year. The all time best is Nyquil Neosynepherin which was apparrently taken straight from the bottles. He goes by Nikee and has been back to visit a couple of times since he was in my wife's class. And there are the various rural Stubbs families here and in South Georgia that seem to have a penchant for naming first sons Seegar in various spellings.
53 posted on 02/04/2003 2:34:44 PM PST by arthurus
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To: Calcetines
HEY!! YOU GOT SOMETHING AGAINST JIMMYCLYDE ?? That may or may not be his name. It is assuredly a known name in the South.
54 posted on 02/04/2003 2:37:49 PM PST by arthurus
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To: Jimmyclyde
The children of immigrants have their own special problems with names. I am close to the local Viet community and know many kids named Dung but that is properly pronounced Yoong but teachers cannot seem to make that change. One little girl was so put off by her given name "Hoai Mi" that she insisted on using "Judy". Her parents never explained the name to her and she thought it was some sort of wry joke-Why Me? It was up to me to research it and when she was 12 years old I told her that it was the name of a forest bird in Viet Nam noted for its beautiful song and that a particular singer/movie star had that name in the 50s. She decided she liked that and has not been Judy for 3 years.
55 posted on 02/04/2003 2:49:30 PM PST by arthurus
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To: Jimmyclyde
I always thought it was my environment...my school didn't have self esteem classes!
56 posted on 02/04/2003 2:57:28 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: GraniteStateConservative
The date for this is April 2, 2002. Not Feb. 4, 2003.

I don't see that date anywhere, but I didn't look that hard. My previous comment was in regard to the fact that this was posted in the Breaking News sidebar. (Hence the 3, 2, 1...)

57 posted on 02/04/2003 4:47:48 PM PST by Semper911
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To: Jimmyclyde
I have a second cousin, the son of my cousin (is that a second cousin?)- well anyway- this poor kid's name is Bart Wayne Dodge. He is only 13 but has been arrested about 30 times (the first tiime he was 8 years old- throwing rocks at cars from an overpass on the highway). He is in a youth holding center now. His name sounds like a criminals name! We knew the kid was a bad seed when he was 5 and was walking around his grandfather's Wake punching people in the balls. Noy saying his name is the reason for the way he is- but it didn't help. By the way- another kid from his town (rural Massachusetts) is named Chevy Van Pickup (not a joke) and is likewise a little criminal.
58 posted on 02/04/2003 5:00:16 PM PST by Burkeman1
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To: Jimmyclyde
Saw a Kavarciay recently. I assumed the parents enjoy cognac.
59 posted on 02/04/2003 5:40:45 PM PST by DeaconBenjamin
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To: Jimmyclyde
Here is a good one,
Where the name "Bubba" first surfaced:
"Used as a term of endearment for a young man by his lover": Old English/Welsh original pronounciation:
BAA-BAAAA.
This will start lots of fights in redneck honky-tonks!
Fire-proof suit ready :)
60 posted on 02/04/2003 7:32:23 PM PST by cavtrooper21 (Shoot 'em if they stand, cut 'em if they run!)
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