Tolkien Picks Up A Few More Bits Of Cultural Baggage [Awww... the orcs are just misunderstood!]

Washington Post ^ | December 29, 2002 | Chris Mooney

[HairOfTheDog]

In real life, we simply aren't going to encounter baddies who would literally devour women and children or cannibalize their own kind the way orcs do. And in real life, it would be deeply troubling if Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told U.S. troops to show the enemy "no mercy, for you will receive none," as the human hero Aragorn tells his forces before battle in "The Two Towers."'

Is that a fact? - Speak for yourself, Mr. Mooney!

[HairOfTheDog]

The elf Legolas and the dwarf Gimli even have a contest to see how many orcs they can slaughter.

I knew he would hate the contest!

It's a topical connection that Peter Jackson, the director of the cinematic version of J.R.R. Tolkien's fantasy epic, seems to be inviting. In "The Two Towers," Jackson improvises upon Tolkien's text by introducing an orc suicide bomber at the battle of Helm's Deep.

You made the connection, Mr. Mooney, not me... Not bad though!

[Bear_in_RoseBear]

Jackson improvises upon Tolkien's text by introducing an orc suicide bomber at the battle of Helm's Deep.

I hadn't thought of the "suicide bomber" connection... when I saw it, it seemed more like the Olympic torch runner gone horribly wrong....

[Ramius]

Clearly Mr. Mooney does not have even the slightest grasp on who and what our enemy is.

[HairOfTheDog]

LOL! - Me too!

[rllngrk33]

And even orcs are living creatures -- just not ones possessing rights under the Geneva Conventions.

Orcs are men and elves who have been twisted and perverted by the evil one (Morgoth).

I can't understand why some people have to screw up a good story about good vs. evil by trying to read something into it that the author never intended.

The Lord of the Rings has nothing to do with anything going on in the world today except for the overall good vs. evil part. Getting into more detail than that is just a waste of time. It's also an indication how people have way too much time on their hands.

[ecurbh]

Ring Ping!!

[HairOfTheDog]

I have to admit, I have been scanning for articles by the left regarding LoTR... Sortof morbidly curious about what would come out of them when they finally spoke on it.

This one is funny enough to keep!

[rllngrk33]

And even orcs are living creatures -- just not ones possessing rights under the Geneva Conventions.

BTW the story of LOTR took place thousands of years before the Geneva Convention. So it doen't apply.

[HairOfTheDog]

Getting into more detail than that is just a waste of time. It's also an indication how people have way too much time on their hands.

Ruh roh.... Define "too much". LOL.

[carton253]

That's what I thought. I thought, oh my word, am I watching the Olympics. It was the most jarring moment... because Legolas, so accurate with his bow for 4 hours, couldn't kill this guy to save his life.

[HairOfTheDog]

That was not unnoticed by me either! Everything else Legolas hits drops like a bag of sand, but this guy took TWO GOOD HITS and just wouldn't fall! Gotta love the movies!

[HairOfTheDog]

You guys on ecurbh's list? - Sorry for the double ping if you are.

[Mudboy Slim]

Yea, I'm on both lists but I don't mind being double-pinged, HOTDog...

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[Lil'freeper]

Thanks for the ping. What a wretched article you found.

As a commentary on contemporary conflicts, Jackson's film has serious limitations.

Well, duh. The film was not a commentary on contemporary conflicts, nor was the book. It has applications, yes, and big, timeless themes but Sauroman is not Osama! Rumsfeld is not a Rohirrim! It's not a frickin' analogy for anything!! JRR was quite open and outspoken about this! Nothing cheeses me more than ill-educated journalists/commentators who confuse their own shallow and sorely misinformed opinions for fact. In terms of cluelessness, elementary education majors may occupy the bottom rung of the IQ ladder, but journalists are sitting in the mud beneath it- this guy is no exception.

Thanks for the chance to rant.

No personal insults intended to anyone who is, or may know and like, an "El-Ed" major. I have one in my family, too.

[HairOfTheDog]

Thanks for the ping. What a wretched article you found.

Yes, it was... I can't help sharing. Like when you find someting bad in the back of the fridge, hidden behind the case of cola... "EEEEEW! - This is gross! - Check this out!!"

[Argh]

Thanks anyway Miss Hair. I kep getting stopped at a blank page with the following address:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/

I guess the Post is prejudiced against Canadians.:^)

[HairOfTheDog]

And if you listen very hard
MUD's tunes will come to you at last.

Thanks Mud! ;~D

[Mudboy Slim]

De nada, mi amigo...MUD

[Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy]

I actually read this article before finding it here on FR; and it isn't quite as bad as some are making it out to be, here. The writer does have a few good points, and not everyone who is against wars in general is a raving, left-wing lunatic. In particular, I think he was objecting not so much to PJ's movie version of Tolkien, but rather he was objecting to the attempts by some to use the film as an allegory on "why we should go and beat up on the Iraqis" or something similar. He doesn't make this distinction clear, though, so his opening comments about the Rohirrim not giving any quarter to the Orcs just sounds, well, pretty dumb, to anyone familiar with Tolkien. His other comments about how Tolkien used some orcish dialogue to give the orc's their own point of view, were more constructive. For the record, I find those currently trying to use Tolkien to bolster their pro-war sentiments, just as cringeworthy as other, more PC, attempts to harness Tolkien to serve political purposes he never intended his writings to serve.