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Westerfield Jury Reaches Verdict DEATH
o | Joe Hadenuf

Posted on 09/16/2002 1:46:27 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf

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To: just me
I know one thing if I had small children I wouldn't let them play at the Van Dam house.

Ahh, and you just hit on the crux of the argument for these people who deny all reality and cling rabidly to Westerfields innocence. Because her parents engaged in activities they morally disapproved of they deserved this fate, and no way could Sicko child porn pedophile Westerfield have done it.

These people are, quite frankly, emotionally, and quite frankly mentally underdeveloped. Hell a few of em probably out there arguing Westerfield was an agent of God smiting them for their sins.

In my oppinion these "Westerfield's innocent" crowd are just a sick as that bastard is.

521 posted on 09/17/2002 6:38:25 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Auntie Mame
I'm hoping to hear it was more than just a few pin prick sized spots of blood.

Why ? Why would the size matter when any blood shouldn't be their at all ? It takes only one microscopic sperm to get pregnant.

522 posted on 09/17/2002 6:39:24 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: Greg Weston
Even a high risk of being killed can seem a whole lot greener grass than being in solitary. Being able to talk with another human being is a delight, without which most wither to nothing and madness.
523 posted on 09/17/2002 6:46:08 AM PDT by bvw
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To: meadsjn
Most of the hang'em high mob skipped all the crucial defense evidence (which coincidentally was also denied to the jury).

LOL!

525 posted on 09/17/2002 6:50:10 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: dread78645
If DAW tossed her out on Deshau Road, maybe, Sat nite or Sun morning ...

Sunday night is my guess.

526 posted on 09/17/2002 6:51:18 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: HamiltonJay
I never said he was innocent. I merely pointed out that the prosecution had some fairly big holes in its case during the trial. Obviously the jury thought otherwise and if I had been on the jury I might have reached the same conclusion the 12 of them did.
527 posted on 09/17/2002 6:53:32 AM PDT by connectthedots
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To: jdontom
Kalif. has executed ten murders in twenty years, there are over 500 on death row right now, sooooooo I would say the answer is Old Age..........

Ten in twenty years. I wonder how many at Young Age have been executed "privately" in the state by abortionists?

Cordially,

528 posted on 09/17/2002 6:53:38 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: drlevy88
Nobody questions that her blood was on the jacket.

There is a small contingent that refuses to accept that it was, in fact, blood.

The spot was small enough, IIRC, that it could have come from one of her nosebleeds.

She would have to be around the jacket for some reason to get her blood on it, whether by nosebleed or other. It wouldn't just land there magically.

529 posted on 09/17/2002 6:55:31 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
the defense failed in creating doubt.

Because there was no doubt to create... Westerfield is, was and always will be guilty as sin! I suggest these nutballs who suggest he is some sort of martar check their papers this morning. Westerfield was minutes away from a plea bargain that including disclosing where he dumped this poor little girls body, when it was stumbled upon by that poor guy.

Westerfield is a sick sadistic bastard, the needle is far too good for him, and these people who refuse to accept reality because they morally have issues with the parents behavior, are quite frankly just as sick.

530 posted on 09/17/2002 6:55:38 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: FreeTheHostages
I recognize the existence of statistically sound arguments of racial bias in the death penalty's application. That's the argument against it.

Justice is the only argument for the death penalty. Justice is blind to "racial" bias.

Cordially,

531 posted on 09/17/2002 6:57:29 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: connectthedots
There were no holes in the trial, opportunity, motive, evidence was all there... the stupid idea that "bugs" proved he didn't do it was absolute nonsense, desperation of a pathetic little man who kidnapped abused and butchered a defenseless child.

I believe the Westerfield's innocent crowd are just living proof that some of the people can be fooled all of the time.
532 posted on 09/17/2002 6:59:20 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: FreeTheHostages
I recognize the existence of statistically sound arguments of racial bias in the death penalty's application. That's the argument against it.

And what statistically sound argument would that be? That a White who kills a black is more likely to receive it statistically than anyone else? I have no problem with showing racial proof, but fact that more minorities are on death row, when in fact sadly, minorities do indeed commit far more of the crimes, is not a statitically sound argument. As long as those executed are indeed guilty of their crime, that is all that matters.

533 posted on 09/17/2002 7:03:00 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay; ~Kim4VRWC's~
Westerfield was minutes away from a plea bargain that including disclosing where he dumped this poor little girls body, when it was stumbled upon by that poor guy.

I submit that this is the evidence that is as "explosive as a confession".

I have not read the new article yet. Will do so now.

534 posted on 09/17/2002 7:06:56 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: HamiltonJay
After this trial I am not sure I want to support the DP.

I just don't feel Westerfield is guilty, and that does not make me a bad person...The trial was a joke... The Van Dam's sure don't deserve the parents of the year award.. like some of you would like to give them...

535 posted on 09/17/2002 7:08:49 AM PDT by just me
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
You made a reply just above where you said, "..it could have been a nose bleed, but there was no adequate proof it was there by innocent means."

That's the gist of it. Westerfield was convicted to to a "Presumption of Guilt" -- not the requisite "Presumption of Innocence". Rather than insist that the prosecution prove that Danielle was murdered, murdered by Westerfield, and pertinant to that perverted CA judiciary construction of a seperate "penalty phase" murdered most heiniously by Westerfield ... the Court in this trial allowed and encouraged the Jury to operate under presumption of guilt, where the defense was demanded to produce proof beyond any doubt that Westerfield did NOT murder, and murder hieniously this young girl. It was a nigh impossible standard for the defense to meet. Your statement is a clear indicator of the fale logic this "he's guilty already" procedure entails.

536 posted on 09/17/2002 7:12:39 AM PDT by bvw
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To: just me
I just don't feel Westerfield is guilty, and that does not make me a bad person...The trial was a joke... The Van Dam's sure don't deserve the parents of the year award.. like some of you would like to give them...

Two things, how you feel is irrellevant, if you reached your oppinion of his guilt or not on feelings then it is no wonder you deny reality. As to the trial being a joke, the only jokes in that trial were Westerfield's obvious attempts to attack the victim and to try to convince the jury that because the bugs on the body were of a certain age when the body was found he could not have done it. (Of course conviently leaving out the gruesome fact that the places where bugs would have first occurred in a dead body, the mouth, eyes, nose, anus and vagina had been eaten away by wild animals by the time her body was found).

Westerfield is, was and always will be guilty as sin. I suggest you read your morning paper regarding mister innocent. Now that the trial is over and he has been sentenced facts about "Mr. Clean" are coming out. Most importantly he was minutes away from plea bargain that included him telling where he dumped this poor girls body, when the body was found.

Westerfield is a sick sadistic bastard who kidnapped a young girl from her bed, brutally and viciously abused, assaulted and killed her, and then dumped her body to be ate upon by the beasts of the earth. He is the embodiment of evil. May God have mercy on his soul, because he and his ilk deserve no quarter among the living.

537 posted on 09/17/2002 7:17:43 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: just me
Oh and for the record, I know no one here who has suggested the Van Dammes should be given any sort of parent of the year award... but know pleanty here who think Westerfield is some sort of martar.

And as for the death penalty, for this sick sadistic bastard, injection is far too good for him. IF anything this case reaffirms exactly why I do support the death penalty.

I just hope you don't judge who your children are allowed around with the same feelings that allow you to deny the obvious of this sicko.
538 posted on 09/17/2002 7:20:25 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Greg Weston
"And in questionable cases where DNA is not a factor?"

You've got to trust the integrity of the jury system...


539 posted on 09/17/2002 7:20:43 AM PDT by marajade
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To: bvw
I suggest you go read your morning paper about Mr Innocent.... ignorance is bliss, but foolishness is indefensible.
540 posted on 09/17/2002 7:22:39 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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