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Elizabeth Smart thread, August 31-September 7, 2002

Posted on 08/31/2002 10:26:34 AM PDT by IamHD

My prayers go out to the Ricci family during this time. RR was sent up the river and used as a scape-goat. No evidence, whatsoever, linking him to the disappearance of Elizabeth.

May he rest in peace.


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To: Palladin
Or having a nice Sunday visit with Elizabeth, who is now three months pregnant with the baby of some rich old Mormon elder in a faraway county. /sarcasm

Sarcasm?- or truth. Several of us have read comments regarding Liz being pregnant also, so no need to worry about being sarcastic, is always a possibility. :-)

161 posted on 09/01/2002 2:55:24 PM PDT by Bella
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To: Neenah
without leaving a shred of forensic evidence. No hair fibers, fingerprints, blood or other tell-tale clues have been discovered connecting Ricci to the crime

Well, duh! Isn't that physical evidence. Wasn't Ricci known to have been in the home numerous times?

162 posted on 09/01/2002 3:12:04 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: spore-gasm
Thank you for the compliment. It is especially nice coming from someone on the other side of this issue. I'd like to address a couple of small items in your post.

the insistence of Moul that it was Ricci that picked up the Jeep on the 30th.

I don't remember him making that stand in the Banfield interview. I do remember him saying that the woman called to see if the Jeep could be picked up early. I don't think he ever claimed that he actually saw Rick pick it up. He did however strongly claim in that interview and subsequent others that he was sure it was Richard who brought it back on the 8th. If someone has that transcript it would be helpful. He may have been clearer in his Grand Jury testimony. That is indirectly where the article is sourced. The detectives that talked with the reporter would certainly be aware of what Moul said there. Ricci's involvement may hinge on Moul's testimony and so it is important to make sure it is correct and I really don't have a problem with looking into it. I'm sure that LE has though and they have called it credible. Even the dissenting detectives didn't doubt that Moul was being truthful. They felt that Ricci wasn't smart enough to not leave any forensic evidence behind. There is a little clue in that statement as well. There is an implication in it that a smart criminal could enter a house and leave no trace behind. Perhaps Richards accomplice showed him how to enter a house without leaving a trace. Or maybe the accomplice was the one who went in. That doesn't seem likely though because of Richards previous record of entering an occupied home and the fact the Mary Katherine recognized the perpetrators voice. Fred Trujillo also has told us that Richard was indeed a smart cookie. His previous criminal activity sure doesn't fit in with Einstein though does it? So many questions.

Remember that Angela (yes, angie baby) said a set of keys were taken/stolen in April. If this was a plan in the works for some time, it could be the key-napper actually picked up the Jeep.

Angela's statements have got to be considered suspect in this case. I think more so now because of what I laid out in my previous post. There is a chance that she is involved in this crime. One other thing to consider is this. Why would any key napper grab the Jeep from Mouls and return it a week later? No logic in that. It just sounds like Angela trying to take the heat off of her man and perhaps herself.

Not realizing the implications of the larger picture, he may have only been thinking about what impact there would be on his business if it was discovered a vehicle was taken from his shop by persons unknown.

I think that Moul is an intelligent fellow. He came to this country from a foreign land and is running a successful business. I do think that he realized the implications and knew that if he lied to the police that he could destroy his livelihood. He stated that he liked Richard and he obviously valued him as a customer. I also believe that Moul was not alone on the 8th of June and that employees and customers may have witnessed the same thing. Perhaps this is why the police feel that Neth's testimony is credible. Nothing in the press has come along to impeach what he has said.

163 posted on 09/01/2002 3:30:20 PM PDT by sandude
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To: jengaio
We need to know what was said to Elizabeth that Mary Katherine heard. She was obviously afraid for Elizabeth or the family. Her not going to her parents for such a long time is hard to understand but as you say she is only 9 years old.
165 posted on 09/01/2002 3:46:03 PM PDT by sandude
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ATTENTION !!

I was looking for an interview with Neth Moul and Ashley Banfield...and among other things on the Google Search...who do I find? Our very own...JOLLY GREEN !!! LOL !!!

Smart Case,

July 31, 2002 ... 07/04/02, Police Plan to Interview Another Ex-con, Police indicated yesterday that ... from a repair shop May 30 and returned June 8. The shop's owner, Neth Moul ...

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You're famous, Green one !! LOL!!

166 posted on 09/01/2002 3:55:54 PM PDT by Neenah
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To: jengaio
The reporter is getting his facts from some detectives, which should be a good source. I would think that MK heard this rather than saw it. Maybe they found traces of the red pajamas in the drive after MK described the noise Elizabeth made. I wonder if this leak to the press was authorized. It seems that perhaps Chief Dinse is going to trickle out some of the particulars over time now that Richard is gone. I don't know though, perhaps the so called minority wanted to show that there is not complete solidarity in the investigation. Their complaints are somewhat tepid though so I'm not making much of this.
168 posted on 09/01/2002 4:16:45 PM PDT by sandude
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To: jengaio
It seems as though were alone right now. Enjoy the peace and quiet while it lasts.
170 posted on 09/01/2002 4:29:10 PM PDT by sandude
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To: sandude
Maybe Bella's taken some of our posts to some other site to get some ammunition to knock us down a few notches.
171 posted on 09/01/2002 4:32:53 PM PDT by sandude
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To: Palladin; Bella
Or having a nice Sunday visit with Elizabeth, who is now three months pregnant with the baby of some rich old Mormon elder in a faraway county. /sarcasm

Oh Oh. You two will get flamed big time for posting like this ;^0

172 posted on 09/01/2002 4:32:57 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: jengaio
Uh Oh! Varina alert. INCOMING!!
174 posted on 09/01/2002 4:34:56 PM PDT by sandude
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To: jengaio
You may be onto something there.
177 posted on 09/01/2002 4:37:51 PM PDT by sandude
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To: sandude
I would think that MK heard this rather than saw it.

It would seem in a house the size of the Smart's home, MK would have had to follow her sister and the alleged kidnapper down the stairs, etc. to have "heard" a "yelp." It also seems as though that much surveillance by MK would have given her a pretty clear impression of what the man looked like.

And yes, it also seems as though all this "new" info is carefully engineered leaks to the media. I still think the LE is patiently waiting for someone to trip up.

178 posted on 09/01/2002 4:40:20 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: jengaio
Yeah, Varina's got a thing about me. I'd best say nothing.

Actually, jen, your posts this evening have a lot of merit. I agree about your impressions of MK and her sister's exit from the home.

179 posted on 09/01/2002 4:42:37 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: varina davis
It would seem in a house the size of the Smart's home, MK would have had to follow her sister and the alleged kidnapper down the stairs, etc. to have "heard" a "yelp."

I believe that the girls bedroom is at the very front of the house right above the drive.

I still think the LE is patiently waiting for someone to trip up.

I hope your right and they do have somebody under surveilance.

180 posted on 09/01/2002 4:44:21 PM PDT by sandude
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