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Elizabeth Smart Case - Ricci Dies in Hospital
FoxNews | 8/30/02

Posted on 08/30/2002 8:48:33 PM PDT by stlnative

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To: jengaio
Why haven't we seen stills from the store video?

SLCPD discredited it a few days with their usual line "It was nothing". I'm not saying they lied but I'm not saying I believe them either. They would have the right to lie about it. The also said the same thing about the man fitting the description seen by several searchers.

281 posted on 08/31/2002 7:54:21 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: jengaio
Why haven't we seen stills from the store video?

More - This guy was picked up from a check of all convenience store videos in the Federal Heights neighborhood in the timeframe of the hours just before the kidnapping. The guy came in the store in clothing matching the description of the kidnapper wearing a hat and stole some beer. The employee in the convenience store admitted he NEVER SAW THE GUY COME INTO THE STORE. Who do you know that would be bold enough to do something this stupid. The beer drinking might tie in with the fact Ricci was drinking Coronas early the next morning per his neighbor Thurber.

282 posted on 08/31/2002 8:01:52 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: jengaio
Why are you bringing this up now?

I just found it interesting. I couldn't figure out though if it was the night Liz was kidnapped or a couple of nights later, the article wasn't specific. I thought someone else might be able to provide more on it.

284 posted on 08/31/2002 8:05:47 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: jengaio
Strange, since they went after Edmunds so heavily. Finding this person to either clear him or get some info and quit wasting time would seem to this novice like a good idea, law enforcement wise. What do you think is going on?

My guesses are either they don't have enough evidence to convict him and don't want to try him before Liz or her body show up so they have max evidence or they were able to quietly take him off these street on something like a parole violation and because no one else was involved (like Moul with Ricci) they haven't had to tell us.

285 posted on 08/31/2002 8:08:58 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: Neenah
Common sense says, at this time...rest.

Perhaps so. Like an athlete who goes on those extra years when they should have retired, the Smarts run the risk of losing credibility. Some on this thread feel they are already there. But as long as the media is turning to them then I think that they need to put on their game face and try to win one for Elizabeth. Unlike a washed up athlete, the media will eventually stop offering them a platform.

286 posted on 08/31/2002 8:11:46 PM PDT by sandude
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To: Sherlock
Now why in the world would they have not released that?

LE usually doesn't release case sensitive information to the public unless they need the publics help. Let's hope that they identified this person already and have him under surveillance. Maybe they know who it is, have found the van, but can't locate the individual. Maybe they hope this guy will show up at the funeral to make sure that Richard is really dead. Maybe it's just some incompetence on LE's part. Who knows at this point.

288 posted on 08/31/2002 8:17:26 PM PDT by sandude
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To: cherry
I thought the issue of the chair outside the window was with the attempted break-in at E's cousins house. Did I miss new info??
289 posted on 08/31/2002 8:22:58 PM PDT by trussell
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To: jengaio
..whether the British "crackers" is related to the derogatory "Georgia Cracker."..

One must remember their audience when making a quip.

290 posted on 08/31/2002 8:23:03 PM PDT by sandude
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To: Sherlock
I think the other guy would not have been very far away.

No doubt. It would have been much easier to control Elizabeth once she was in the Jeep with two people. I think the accomplice proabaly was waiting in the Jeep.

291 posted on 08/31/2002 8:27:08 PM PDT by sandude
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To: jengaio
Why haven't we seen stills from the store video?

LE probably knows who this guy is and are convinced he was not involved. They could be wrong though. I hope that someone has saved that video for future reference.

292 posted on 08/31/2002 8:30:06 PM PDT by sandude
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To: jengaio
Hm, yes, I could see the latter. Edmunds was missing. This guy must be "found" or they would be all over trying to track him down. Funny they haven't said a think about it, though.

Edmunds probably was in part a diversion but I think they did want to talk to him. He had gotten a ticket or a warning on the cul de sac behind the Smart's house (which is the edge of civilization) a couple of weeks before the kidnapping. Being a heroin user it would be possible he knew Ricci. And he nearly died so if he was involved with the kidnapping part of his payment may have been in dope laced with something to silence him. At any rate he must have come into some money somehow to have enough dope to get himself in trouble. It's a common joke that the biggest curse for a druggee is to come into a lot of money because then they can afford to kill themselves.

And then there's the thing about the license plates. The plate number the milkman gave of the gray Honda or Nissan was not on file with the DMV but it was very close to the plate on Edmunds car. Very strange.

293 posted on 08/31/2002 8:34:34 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: Neenah
Neither you nor I know who Mary Katherine saw.

A somewhat patronizing illumination.
294 posted on 08/31/2002 8:36:53 PM PDT by Vinomori
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To: sandude
LE probably knows who this guy is and are convinced he was not involved. They could be wrong though. I hope that someone has saved that video for future reference.

Oh, I think they have a copy on the shelf somewhere.

295 posted on 08/31/2002 8:37:55 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: sandude
LE probably knows who this guy is and are convinced he was not involved. They could be wrong though. I hope that someone has saved that video for future reference.

As I recall, Ricci had to borrow a couple of bucks from Thurber later that day to buy some Coronas. If he wanted a beer before the kidnapping he would have had to have stolen it (pretty good, huh?).

296 posted on 08/31/2002 8:39:53 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: sandude
Maybe they hope this guy will show up at the funeral to make sure that Richard is really dead.

I am sure they will be video taping to see who comes and goes from the funeral home and burial of Ricci.

Let's hope to that maybe Ricci told Angela who helped him at some point while he has been sitting in prison, but he told her to keep quiet for her own safety. Now that her hubby is dead, she has nothing more to loose and if she knows she may just spill the beans. It could be that Ricci played a smaller part in all this and was not actually the kidnapper or the killer (if she is dead). There are so many ways this could go, the police may tell her to pretend she knows who it is while giving her police protection to sweat the guy out. All she would have to do is spread the word to some of her wonderful friends that Ricci told her who his partner was and word would get around. I think after Ricci is in the ground it will get real interesting
297 posted on 08/31/2002 8:40:08 PM PDT by stlnative
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To: Sherlock
Oh, I think they have a copy on the shelf somewhere.

It is possible that it was Ricci and this is part of the evidence they are so closely guarding.

298 posted on 08/31/2002 8:41:14 PM PDT by sandude
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To: sandude; brigette
Maybe they hope this guy will show up at the funeral to make sure that Richard is really dead.

Good point, and maybe it was a bit premature for the family to mention the blue van. Then again the guy may be headed for Mexico with the police following him so you never know. There's a good chance the Smart's OK'd release of this piece of information or that it was LE's idea. It could tie in to a police strategy involving Angela like brigette brought up. If Angela knows anything significant she may be in jeopardy now, good point.

299 posted on 08/31/2002 8:46:47 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: Sherlock
As I recall, Ricci had to borrow a couple of bucks from Thurber later that day to buy some Coronas.

I hadn't heard that. It is possible that the constant lack of funds and the poor success he had in his other criminal endeavors pushed him to go for the big score. You've mentioned that before I believe. I've also wondered if he didn't run into somebody in the drug subculture that desired a young teenage girl for sex. Richard would have seen Elizabeth as a golden goose to feed his drug habit. It is also interesting that Richard tried to get Ed to rehire him after the initial theft. Was it because he needed the job or did he desire to be around Elizabeth. That thought totally creeps me out. My strongest suspicion is that it was a ransom plot gone bad but with no ransom demand it is hard to be sure.

300 posted on 08/31/2002 8:50:10 PM PDT by sandude
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