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Judge Mudd Refuses Sequester Plea: Westerfield Jury Verdict In Sep? (Aug. 16th Verdict Watch)
Union Trib ^ | August 15, 2002 | Jeff Dillion/Steve Perez

Posted on 08/16/2002 6:39:20 AM PDT by FresnoDA

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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Honestly, as much as feldman tried to get us to believe that she was in the MH for innocent reasons..he simply couldn't do it. He insinuated it...by showing it was left unlocked..but that's not enough IMHO. Can't wait to hear what the jury has to say about it!

Try this version Kimmie

Honestly, as much as Duseck tried to get us to believe that he was in the Van Dam house for evil reasons..he simply couldn't do it. He insinuated it...by showing the door unlocked..but that's not enough IMHO. Can't wait to hear what the jury has to say about it!
1,061 posted on 08/17/2002 9:00:42 AM PDT by itsahoot
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To: ican'tbelieveit
Thanks for your reply....Explain to me the difference between presumed blood and "Three stains tested positive for the presumptive presence of blood" ----
1,062 posted on 08/17/2002 9:02:32 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: CAPPSMADNESS
"could of she died from a stab wound or a .22 gunshot if the stab wound was in the frount of the stomache or the gunshot from say left to right close to the front of the cavity all the wound chanel as well as exit and entrance wound would/could of been eaten by the animals"

I'm not a ballistics expert either,and FWIW,I lean towards the theory that the cartridge casing was probably dropped there by someone hoping to throw a monkey wrench into the gears. Having said that,however,a .22LR is certainly powerful enough to kill with. And the bullet wouldn't necessarily penetrate the body,especially if it's match ammo,which is loaded to low levels to start with,for the most part.(In fact,if the lighting is right,you can sometimes watch the bullet on it's way to the target.)

1,063 posted on 08/17/2002 9:06:52 AM PDT by sawsalimb
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To: itsahoot
BINGO!!!
1,064 posted on 08/17/2002 9:09:39 AM PDT by Bluebird Singing
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To: Alamo-Girl
As I understand in the original Avila case, the jury did the best it could ... the girls came forth only months later, and there was (as I understand) no physical evidence. It boiled down to their word, and the words of children -- as witness testimony in a crime must be considered dubious testimony. But I am not ay all informed about that case beyond what I just said, and may be far from the mark.
1,065 posted on 08/17/2002 9:11:12 AM PDT by bvw
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To: itsahoot
What about those cases in which the body isn't found, but defendant is convicted?
Assume that no one is blaming the parents for her death. The parents have been given credibility, all doubters aside, all previous consensual affairs aside... by the prosecution. The prosecution believes that danielle was ripped away from her parents home by criminal means.

The prosecution and parents believe that danielle's blood etc were in the MH because of criminal means. They believe the blood on dw's jacket was there by criminal means. The dead body shows a terrible crime occurred. DW has child porn..that's illegal and it's perverted.

No satisfactory explanation has been given to us, to say.."the blood was there while she was playing w/her friends" and the child porn was planted. No one got on the stand and said he had no interest in watching little kids being raped...

It's not like there was no evidence... Jennifer shen said the fibers found on both danielle and in the mh...were placed on her at or near the time of death. That could not have happened weeks prior to..

btw, not all doubt has to be removed to convict...but that should be confirmed by an atty...
1,066 posted on 08/17/2002 9:18:33 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: itsahoot
"... Jennifer shen said the fibers found on both danielle and in the mh..."

Should have read

"... Jennifer shen said the fibers found on both danielle and in the house.."

1,067 posted on 08/17/2002 9:19:57 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: sawsalimb
Wouldn't residue have been on her skin or internal organs..?
1,068 posted on 08/17/2002 9:20:57 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: John Jamieson
That's about right. however it's a slow, winding trip up the mountain so it can take closer to 3 hrs, especially if there's bad weather or lots of traffic through Riverside County.
1,069 posted on 08/17/2002 9:21:07 AM PDT by HoneyBoo
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To: small_l_libertarian
check Freepmail,please.
1,070 posted on 08/17/2002 9:24:20 AM PDT by sawsalimb
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To: bvw
would you freepmail me the gist of the post hildy replied to..I was looking at the history of her posts..and couldn't find a negative one that dems might have replied to..????
1,071 posted on 08/17/2002 9:26:48 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: Rheo
Hi Rheo, I thought Feldman did talk about all the things LE did to prove DW wasn't in the vD house during his opening statement. Not sure if he did during the trial. Would there be a specific reason he could not? Just wondring....
1,072 posted on 08/17/2002 9:26:54 AM PDT by BARLF
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
"presumptive presence of blood." PRESUMED to be blood. Not proven to be blood, PRESUMED.
1,073 posted on 08/17/2002 9:27:59 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit
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To: BARLF
Wondering
1,074 posted on 08/17/2002 9:28:23 AM PDT by BARLF
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Good question-I have no idea how powder residue behaves,or if it could be detected after a corpse was exposed to the elements for a week or so. I suspect that the barrel lengeth of the firearm used,and the distance that the muzzle was from the victim at the time of firing would also be large factors,but that's just a guess on my part. Also,the body had been pretty well worked over by animals,and I could see where any evidence along those lines would be long gone by the time that poor girl's remains were found.
1,075 posted on 08/17/2002 9:31:01 AM PDT by sawsalimb
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To: BARLF
Hi BARLF!

I wish Feldman had called the FBI dog handler that couldn't scent DW at the VD's and the dog handler that tried to scent Danielle from the VD home....why didn't the dog run right to DW's??...cuz didn't happen.

Still have to read his closing statement to refresh on the points he covered....but there is painting and weeding to be done!!

1,076 posted on 08/17/2002 9:33:49 AM PDT by Rheo
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To: CAPPSMADNESS; Hildy; demsux; Admin Moderator
I believe in the right and the creative art of self-defense...but sometimes we just have to raise standards so as to not drag down the forum..some of us have failed on more than once obviously.

Capps, I'm sure you missed some of the previous stuff that was left up towards me..I was appalled and it was allowed. But what the hey--no biggie...it all evens out in the end..


1,077 posted on 08/17/2002 9:34:17 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: bvw
Thanks for your post!

I do not know very much at all about the Avila trial. I only raised it as an example because Samantha's mother blamed them for the death of her child.

1,078 posted on 08/17/2002 9:34:30 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
I think it would be real interesting if you would find a couple of those cases so we could compare the types of evidence found which led the jury to convict.
1,079 posted on 08/17/2002 9:36:18 AM PDT by Bluebird Singing
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To: sawsalimb
A shot that pierced the girls bladder, lower abdomen and traveled right to the heart might explain draining of fluid and blood before any rigor set in, thus possibly quickening mummification, and also making the lower parts of the corpse more tasty for scavengers.
1,080 posted on 08/17/2002 9:36:43 AM PDT by bvw
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