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Jurors To Hear Recorded Westerfield Tapes: Mudd Still Wrestling With Media! (VERDICT WATCH-Aug.14th)
Union Trib ^ | August 14, 2002 | San Diego Staff

Posted on 08/13/2002 10:12:33 PM PDT by FresnoDA

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To: kjam22
Jam--one little problem with that. The scent dogs did not "hit" on the inside of that motorhome. According to the Forensic K9 Institute, they can hit on scents up to one year old. If she'd been in there that weekend, they would have alerted their handlers in a very noticeable way. That blood was very old. Probably over a year old.
61 posted on 08/14/2002 7:17:27 AM PDT by MizSterious
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To: Congressman Billybob
Because of the forensic evidence, I have little doubt that Westerfield will be convicted

You are right of course, but just wait until you see how these folks can disassemble evidence piece by piece.

62 posted on 08/14/2002 7:19:34 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: MizSterious
That's something about canines that the Jury wasn't presented, though.
63 posted on 08/14/2002 7:19:37 AM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw
True, but worth repeating the article for those who focus so strongly on the dna evidence. It's old and not related to the abduction at all. Here's the article:

How many of us are tired of hearing that the scent dogs didn't hit on the inside of the motorhome because scent dissipates quickly? I did some research a little while ago and found this interesting article from the Institute of K9 Forensics. (Interesting site, too.) What's your best guess for how long a scent will remain? The answer is below, and it might surprise you.



RESIDUAL SCENT IN BUILDING

by Adela Morris and Rita Martinez


Abstract

One of the questions we are commonly asked as forensic canine handlers is "How long will scent last in any given situation?" This is a very complicated question, but we want to begin to unravel the secrets. We know some of the elements that will affect residual scent are heat/sun, wind, humidity and rain.

Our first project was conducted in a closed, unused building. Items were placed in different rooms for 5 hours and then removed.

What is Residual Scent?

Residual is defined by Webster's dictionary as - leaving a residue remaining effective for some time.

Within this paper we are using the term in conjunction with decomposing human scent. Residual scent searches are those conducted when no physical form is present. Residual scent is what is left when the decomposing item has been removed. It is something we cannot see and humans cannot necessarily smell.

Introduction

This project began by accident, so was not preplanned as a residual scent research paper. We make no claims to having ruled out all variables, but are using this project to learn what the variables are and how to more effectively set up our next residual scent project.

Our goal in this paper is to look at residual scent in a closed, unused building and see if we can find out how long a trained cadaver / forensic evidence dog can locate the original scent location. All the dogs used in this project ranged from those with some basic training in the finding of cadaver scent to specialized trained dogs in forensic evidence / body recovery. We see this as just the beginning of ongoing residual scent undertakings.

On November 9, 1996 several items were placed in different areas of a building. The building used was built in the 1930's and was used as classrooms up until 1995. It is part of a large developmental hospital that was built before 1900. Most of the furniture is now gone. There is still human clothing around, chairs, desks, shelves with things on them, wardrobes, curtains, and boxes of books and general effects. The facility has been closed down and most of the buildings are scheduled to be demolished.

Room #11 was used as an activity or day room. It is a large open room. The scent sources were blood (3cc) left to dry on the floor and door in the room.

Room #16 is a closet/storage room off room #11. The scent source was blood (approx. 1cc) on paper on the floor.

Room #5 is a large storage room with closets and shelves. The scent source was a soil sample with dried fluids from a gunshot to the head suicide enclosed in a 50ml vented container. The upper window has been open the whole time in this room.

Room #18 is a large living room. Scent sources were; hair mixed with cadaver scent in the fireplace flue, and a very small amount of blood inside a trash can.

Room #9 is a tiled utility area across the hall from a kitchen area. Scent source was hair and blood in a 50ml container placed in the foot of standing ironing board, so the sample was 5 feet off the ground.

Since the original set up date on November 9, 1996, we have returned to the building 4 times: January 8, 1997, April 2, 1997, July 23, 1997 and December 7, 1997. On our visit in April we found that they had removed most of the original furniture and some boxes of trash, so the building had little left in it. Two of the objects (the ironing board and a box of trash), that had held scent sources were now missing.

Results

Each dog participating in this project was able to find most or all of the locations where the decomposing scent articles had been. We saw dogs, which varied, from full alert and pinpointing to general interest in the room or area.

What we have found so far is; residual scent will last 1 year in a building with minimum environmental influence, or human disturbance. Even after the objects where the scent source had been were removed, the dogs were able to locate the rooms, general area, or pinpoint where it had been.

Each time we have worked the problem we have included teams that had not worked the area before. We now have had 16 teams work the residual scent problem. The dogs have ranged from veteran cadaver trained certified teams to 1 year old puppies (who have been training from 8 weeks of age on cadaver and residual scent).

The rest can be read here


64 posted on 08/14/2002 7:23:49 AM PDT by MizSterious
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To: MizSterious
Dogs are amazing. What must it be like to have such an incredible sense of smell?!
65 posted on 08/14/2002 7:25:44 AM PDT by bvw
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To: MizSterious
First, very little decay.

Second, any idea how many times the air is exchanged in motor home that clocks 500+ miles ? Wouldn't thoe conditions be slightly different than a closed building ?

66 posted on 08/14/2002 7:32:56 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: Doc Savage
Oh, for heaven's sake, put a lid on it, willya? A friendly word of advice: Save yourself the time and energy of going over once again what has been gone over ad nauseum a gazillion times. I don't have any emotional investment in the outcome of this trial. Besides, if I wanted to hear an informed opinion, I'd ask anybody except the David Westerfield (he could be guilty, but by God I'm upset over him being "railroaded") Fan Club.

And as for this, Mr. Strong, determined "man of character" (ROFL!):

I often speculate on why certain FReepers take certain names. Take my name for example, Doc Savage! Strong, determined, a man of character! Take your name, wimpycat. Wimpy and feline. Eats tuna and hair balls. Just an independent opinion, but I'd re-register under another aka if I were you. (Glad I'm not you!)

I'm just going to chalk that up to mounting stress as the wait for the jury's decision continues. The wait's getting to you. As each day passes, more and more of you are starting to trip off the rails, lashing out indiscriminately at anyone whose opinions don't conform to your own. Real men, as well as "men of character" such as yourself, don't get so petty as to divine character traits from people's screen names. So it must be the excruciating wait clouding your reason.

67 posted on 08/14/2002 7:39:12 AM PDT by wimpycat
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To: Congressman Billybob
Read the transcripts on what wasn't tested.
68 posted on 08/14/2002 7:41:51 AM PDT by Jaded
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To: bvw
Here's another thing. Danielle was wearing pajamas when she left the house. Brenda said she bought an identical set of pajamas for Danielle's sleep over guest that was still in Danielle's room. Given that the two sets are identical, fibers identical to the second set should be in DW's house, SUV and motor home. If these fibers were not found, DW is not guilty.
69 posted on 08/14/2002 7:46:17 AM PDT by Kerensky
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To: Doc Savage; wimpycat
Doc, I strongly agree with everything you stated except for one thing---Wimpycat, I like your name. :)
70 posted on 08/14/2002 7:46:56 AM PDT by the-gooroo
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To: wimpycat
Gee, they've offered a great deal of exculpatory evidence. As a matter of fact, some of this evidence was brought out by Prosecution witnesses.
71 posted on 08/14/2002 7:47:08 AM PDT by Jaded
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To: Congressman Billybob
Well, well.........

Since you so BOLDLY weighed in, I have a question. Have you watched the trial very closely and studied transcripts or are you making your decision based on the slanted news clips here and there?

Your citing the typical items of "evidence" make me think the latter.

BTW, can you describe that "bedside table" for me? Just curious, you know.

72 posted on 08/14/2002 7:53:56 AM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: wimpycat
You just don't get it do you? Read the transcripts.
73 posted on 08/14/2002 7:56:05 AM PDT by Jaded
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To: VRWC_minion
You are right of course, but just wait until you see how these folks can disassemble evidence piece by piece.

Bwahahahahahahaha..........rofl.........hehehehehe. Minnie, you are a hoot.

74 posted on 08/14/2002 7:57:21 AM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: MizSterious
In addition to Hopi and Cielo, FBI dogs were brought in from Riverside. They were more specalized dogs and didn't hit either. Let's not discuss that either.
75 posted on 08/14/2002 8:02:47 AM PDT by Jaded
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To: MizSterious
Your K9 site has been added to the Information Links page. There have been some other updates as well, Say What? Evidence by Location

Stealth Ninja Dave

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76 posted on 08/14/2002 8:06:02 AM PDT by Jaded
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To: Congressman Billybob
The fact is, some of the LE detectives in this case have been reprimanded for falsifying evidence to obtain an arrest warrant. It is in their personnel files. Doesn't that at least make you wonder if there was any motive and opportunity for them to do the same in this case? It doesn't bother you that they didn't do a thorough investigation of VD's and their home?
77 posted on 08/14/2002 8:07:05 AM PDT by the-gooroo
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To: wimpycat
Hey!! Back off, we're the Stealth Ninja Freedom Fighters!!

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78 posted on 08/14/2002 8:07:42 AM PDT by Jaded
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To: Jaded
Don't forget the Ninja Stealth Dave urine bag - sitting in that closet for hours after a hard drinking night without losing it would be difficult!
79 posted on 08/14/2002 8:10:11 AM PDT by Kerensky
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To: Kerensky
Thank you for pointing that out. Posted it last night on Stealth Ninja Dave. Also wonder why there is NO LAYLA hair at Dehesa.
80 posted on 08/14/2002 8:11:08 AM PDT by Jaded
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