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Jurors To Hear Recorded Westerfield Tapes: Mudd Still Wrestling With Media! (VERDICT WATCH-Aug.14th)
Union Trib ^
| August 14, 2002
| San Diego Staff
Posted on 08/13/2002 10:12:33 PM PDT by FresnoDA
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Actually a loser parent, is MORE LIKELY to be a victim.
Wife's big 50 today, can't stay on long, gotta go eat some venison.
To: KnutCase
That's "3" separate charges. Not 2... Murder charge is separate from kidnapping.
To: small_l_libertarian
Wow. The prelim was a while back. LOL
To: carenot
I guess that explains why the jury is still out. If the evidence is that weak, he should have testified and he'd be walking right now.
To: carenot
But all the defense lawyers do not want their client to testify and advise against it. Yes and they don't go to jail, no matter the verdict.
To: KnutCase
Wow, we both posted to each other.. :)
Not necessarily. If feldman think his client has a chance, he could try to just get him acquited. on the other hand, maybe the prosecutors refused to plea bargain. Risky either way.
To: KnutCase
On the other hand, human nature would dictate that you give the defendant's final request for evidence examination a lot of weight. If they come back with a guilty verdict they can say they did everything the defense asked during their deliberations, but still couldn't find reasonable doubt.
By the way, how does "innocent until proven guilty" equate to "reasonable doubt"? I think that requiring the defense to convince a jury that reasonable doubt of guilt exists would be a much higher standard to have to meet. Not good for someone who never testified in front of a jury of his peers under oath that he wasn't guilty of kidnapping/murder.
To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Did she say she wasn't going to? What did I miss Dems? You can freepmail me if you need to.No, I was just trying to goad you into revealing that cyn sent you that info.
BTW, I quite enjoy reading the opposing viewpoints THAT ARE BACKED BY TESTIMONY AND/OR FACTS.
This last sentance is not directed to you or cyn...I think we all know who it is directed at...
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posted on
08/14/2002 3:23:12 PM PDT
by
demsux
To: the Deejay
If his client is innocent, and if dw told feldman he's innocent, I swear they are stupid to not come out and say i t. That's just my opinion..
To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
I was sent this via freepmail by someone who has no desire to post on the threads anymore. I volunteered to post this for him/her. Utter silliness !!!!! So Ms./Mrs./Mr. Unknown wants to flap the yap but not be here to respond or take on the opposition?
How old are we? If one can't or doesn't want to back up his or her comments, he or she should remain quiet.
Being the little messenger girl isn't cute, Kim..........and wanting one's comments posted without owning up to them is sheer folly.
To: John Jamieson
Happy Birthday to your "Better" half!! TEE HEE!
Have a good time!
To: AppyPappy
Hi, AppyPappy. I think that the reason Feldman did not want Westerfield to testify is that Westerfield would have had to face questions from Dusek like, "Did you kill that poor little girl before or after you raped her?" Kind of like, "When did you stop beating your wife?"
There's just no good answer to a question like that. Feldman is supposed to talk to the jury for Westerfield. I understand what you mean about wanting him to testify, but I don't think it would have been in his best interest.
To: demsux
Do you realize how many folks are lurking but have no desire to post? (alot) You know why too...It's not just people who think dw is innocent...
To: Southflanknorthpawsis
Update on the informal verdict pool: What's your best guess for when the verdict will come in? (actual verdict prediction optional and not recorded)
There is no "prize," but the winner(s) get to be called "winners" and have the right to say "I told you so;" we're still negotiating about "neener neener neeners."
THE LIST SO FAR
MONDAY AUGUST 12TH
Small-l-libertarian
Countess - By 4 pm
FresnoDA - Afternoon
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It's Me
Pyx - Mid-afternoon
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Mommya - 2 hours after jurors come in
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MizSterious
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ThreeYearLurker - 3 pm
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VRWC_minion
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The Other Harry - 10 a.m.
Krodg - Morning
Calawah - Before noon
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Juzcuz - 2 pm
RnMomof7 - 2 pm deadlocked 1st time
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Jaded - Afternoon
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dread78645 - Midmorning
ItsOurTimeNow - 3 pm
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Lucky - 11 am
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Kerensky - 2 pm
John Jamieson
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(Note: All times PDT; if this thread gets real long, you might want to send your choices via freepmail or post them on the Refugee site--often I quit reading them when they're very, very long.)
To: small_l_libertarian
Also, wouldn't it open things up for Dusek to question DW on things that had been previously suppressed by the judge?
To: AppyPappy
Why Westerfield? Why not someone else? Because the DA is a lying sack of $hit, and a corrupt politician to boot. But go ahead and get on the media's lynching of DW. You have a lot of company here.
This trial will turn out hung. Better they aquit.
To: alisasny
Why do conservatives eat their own. If I have time I intend to call in and use these Westerfield threads as my basis. I have never seen such horrible treatment of other long time members and activists of this great forum.
Then you don't get out much. I have been on countless other threads, and seen NEWBIES torn to shreds and been denied simple courtesy. I have seen personal attacks over and over and over til it was sickening. The OLDEST/BIGGEST/BEST of the posters calling each other names and grouping together to attack others.
BUT, no one presses the ABUSE BUTTON on those threads.
I also believe this is why your threads have been put into chat.
The threads have been put into CHAT (or General Interest) because these threads go over 1000 posts EVERY DAY and COMPLETELY DOMINATE the BREAKING NEWS SECTION. No on can find the real breaking news, and the DW threads SHOULD NOT EVEN BE IN THE BREAKING NEWS SECTION. That is why.
Whenever someone new comes along and gives their opinion they are branded.
Not true. Newbies(and anyone) are treated with the respect that they show.
If a new poster gets on and says, "I know nothing about this", they are offered tons of links and offers to help inform them.
If a poster gets on and says, "I think DW did it because of ........", then they are responded to with debate about why that may/may not be correct. (This is the whole point of the threads anyway)
When a poster gets on and says "I'm not sure guilty/not guilty" or just about anything, they will get debate/help/links/info.
I can go back and point to many times that Posters like FresnoDa have provided NEWBIES with LINKS to everything about the case, all in one post.
NOW, we come to the last category. If it smells like a duck, looks like a duck, walks like a duck, it is probably A DUCK.
That is the posters that get on and (1) Tell everyone what they think.
(2)Insist that because they 'think' it , that it is the truth
(3)Refuse to back it up
(4)Call other posters names, (personal attacks)
(5)Try to start flame wars to get the thread pulled
(6)Spew and then run and hide.
I have seen it happen so many times, that it becomes easy to identify that type of poster.
In this case Billy Bob exhibited the signs of one of these types. I don't think BB is alone. I think that many posters on FR are duped by the media. Unless you get on these threads, or just go read all the transcripts from start to begining, then you are at the mercy of the MEDIA. And it is obvious that FAIRNESS IN REPORTING/ UNBIASED REPORTING are 2 classes that no longer are required for a job in the media.
To: MizSterious
Put me down for hung jury, sometime in 2004.
To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Oh, cry me a river...LOL!
sw
519
posted on
08/14/2002 3:31:29 PM PDT
by
spectre
To: BullDog108
LOL
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