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Evidence On Insects Likely To Continue: (Westerfield Trial "Creeps" Along At An Ant's Pace!)
Union Trib ^ | June 29, 2002 | Alex Roth

Posted on 07/28/2002 8:56:21 PM PDT by FresnoDA

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To: Eva
I don't understand how you figure this could apply to Westerfield. No one would have missed him on Saturday morning. When did he pick up the motorhome. How do you suppose he got a dead child into the motorhome in daylight? Maybe I missed something.

I wrote this. If you back up and read my posts you will see your questions were answered by my scenario. I would like to read your comments after reading them, thanks.

241 posted on 07/29/2002 2:27:45 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: VRWC_minion
Did you ever see the movie "Rainman"?
242 posted on 07/29/2002 2:27:54 PM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: Karson
Your response to my post doesn't make a dab of sense.

It would if you entered my 15 year olds room. There is no telling how old the stuff is on her floor.

243 posted on 07/29/2002 2:29:36 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: redlipstick

I just did a google search and read 8 articles about the "Candyman" kiddy porn ring - not one mention of any missing or abducted children.

The reason I mentioned it is because of the involvment/arrest of 2 LE's in the San Diego area.

The Van Dam's seem to have many 'friends' in LE.

Maybe DW downloaded porn once time, and someone in LE had told Damon about it, as a friend. Then when Danielle disappeared, Damon was first choice. Maybe one of the 2 guys in LE that were arrested knew about Damon and the pizza parties (drugs,sex) and thought here is a bunch of fools I can take advantage of. What can they say if I kidnap/molest/kill their daughter. They will be caught "with their pants down", so to speak.

Those are my reasons for what I posted to you.

I also had theories where Damon was part of the OPERATION that is doing the stings. Where he is a good guy, but it is hard to buy that with the sex/drugs going on.

244 posted on 07/29/2002 2:30:01 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2
Since they didn't bring them out in court, one must assume such did not exist.

At this point I disagree. To try and connect him to an "alledged" child porn ring would be irresponsible not to mention grounds for appeal. The defense would only be able to introduce what they could prove directly.

245 posted on 07/29/2002 2:32:32 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: FresnoDA
Have you EVER perused one of the VD trial transcripts? Just wondering, since you questions are so rudimentary, regarding the trial.......

Just starting. Do you have any rudimentary comments as opposed to rude ones ?

246 posted on 07/29/2002 2:34:14 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
Yes.
247 posted on 07/29/2002 2:34:50 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: VRWC_minion
Here you go...just the informational bone, a hungry "truth seeking" jackal can sink their teeth into...happy hunting.....

VAN DAM THREAD HISTORY

 

 


248 posted on 07/29/2002 2:35:27 PM PDT by FresnoDA
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To: FresnoDA
Good work there fres...after people have time to look at that info., we can start working our way to post 666
249 posted on 07/29/2002 2:40:07 PM PDT by demsux
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To: VRWC_minion

So...has DUSEK sunk all of the objective putts, listed below???

Dusek: Opening statement, part 1

SSS San Diego, California, Tuesday, June 4, 2002, 9:50 a.m.

OKAY. MR. DUSEK, ON BEHALF OF THE PEOPLE.

MR. DUSEK: THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.

GOOD MORNING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

THE JURORS: GOOD MORNING.

MR. DUSEK: WELCOME BACK. THIS TRIAL WILL BE ABOUT TWO PEOPLE. TWO PEOPLE. DAVID WESTERFIELD AND DANIELLE VAN DAM.

----more specifically, it will be about what david westerfield did to brenda -- or danielle van dam. because of that, we'll be talking about three primary time periods.

the first begins, the first and primary begins february 1st and goes until danielle's body was recovered.

the two other periods will be the week before, a friday, when brenda van dam and some of her friends had minor contact with the defendant.

the other period of time will be in the middle of that week, when brenda van dam and her two children went out selling girl scout cookies to the defendant.

so we will be talking about the three times the van dam family had contact with david westerfield. the evidence in this case will indicate that somebody sneaked into the van dam home that late evening february 1st going into february 2nd;

that somebody was able to get upstairs to danielle's room;

that somebody was able to get her out of the house.

we will show you how that happened.

that somebody killed her,

murdered her.

we will show you who that is.

and that somebody dumped her body like trash alongside the road down in dehesa.

mr. feldman: argument. objection.

the court: overruled.

mr. dusek: and the evidence will show you who that is.

 

the evidence in this case that we will present will focus on david westerfield, what he did and what he didn't do, what he said and what he didn't say.

 

the evidence starts back in february, february 1st, a friday, which for many of you might be more memorable as super bowl weekend. that was the weekend of the super bowl this year. the van dam family lives in the sabre springs area up by poway, penasquitos, carmel mountain area, up 15. a nice, new neighborhood. and you'll hear that they've lived there for three, four years. they have -- had three children and a dog in this neighborhood. that friday damon van dam went off to work. he works over at qualcomm, is some sort of an engineer. the kids went to school. and brenda van dam stayed home. there was a trip coming up.

 

the family was going to be able to go to italy on a business trip that damon van dam had scheduled, and plans were being made to tag along with him. that evening there were also plans for brenda van dam to go out with some friends.

 

damon had originally been scheduled to go on a snowboarding trip with his oldest boy derrick. he was going to go with derrick and some family friends the libbys. and mr. libby and his boy derrick were going to go off snowboarding up to the mountains that weekend and spend a night at a cabin they have up there. so the plans were for them to go.

 

brenda had made plans to meet with two of her girl friends, and they were going to go out. one of the girl friends was leaving town. she was being transferred back east. so they had made plans for a babysitter to watch the children, the two kids that were going to remain behind while she went out.

 

the plans changed at the end because damon van dam couldn't go; the libbys had to back out of it or at least delay the trip to the mountains. so damon van dam was able to remain home that evening and he was the one watching their children. that weekend as he was home with the three children, the two friends of brenda van dam came over, barbara easton and denise kemel.

 

they came up from i believe it's tierrasanta is where they live. they live next to each other in a complex down there. and they came up, and they were going to go out for the evening to a place called dad's. when they arrived, the van dam family had just finished eating. i think brenda had gone out to get some pizza for the family that night. the two girl friends show up, and they chit-chat for a bit, and eventually they go out into the garage where they smoke.

 

there is no smoking allowed in the garage. brenda goes out with them. the two girl friends, brenda -- i'm sorry -- barbara and denise, they split a beer. while they're out there, they light up a marijuana cigarette, and the three of them pass it around. damon eventually walks out into the garage for a short amount of time, takes a couple of puffs on the cigarette, and then goes back inside.

 

and you will hear when he was asked about what happened that day that he didn't tell them about the marijuana cigarette. he lied to the police about that. there is no smoking allowed in the garage. brenda goes out with them. the two girl friends, brenda -- i'm sorry -- barbara and denise, they split a beer. while they're out there, they light up a marijuana cigarette, and the three of them pass it around. damon eventually walks out into the garage for a short amount of time, takes a couple of puffs on the cigarette, and then goes back inside.

 

while these three ladies were in the garage, denise kemel either got or had to make a phone call on a cell. phone. she couldn't get good reception in the garage, so she stepped outside the side door so she could get better reception. had to unlock the side door, get outside, made the call, completed the business that she was doing, came back into the garage, and didn't lock the door, didn't lock the side door. the three ladies eventually go back into the house, clean up, and head off to dad's.

all three of them are going to go in one car. brenda van dam is going to drive them in their excursion i think she has, and the two girl friends leave the car behind at their house. they drive over to dad's, which is from their house you drive down a little street 'til you get to poway road, then you turn right or east on poway road, heading into the town of poway. and it's about two miles into poway on the right-hand side. it's a family-type restaurant. dad's cafe and steakhouse i think is the name of it. primarily a family restaurant during the day for morning, lunch, and dinner. kind of divided in half.

i think you'll see where basically the booths and the seating for the restaurant over on the left-hand side, on the right-hand side up front they have a room, it's a pool table, couple of pool tables up there. immediately behind that they have a bar and a dance floor. the dance floor is covered with dining tables during most of the day. once you get to 10:00 o'clock at night, those are cleared away, and they typically have a band that comes in, and there's dancing.

 

this you will hear is the second time that brenda van dam had been to dad's.

 

she had been there the week before with the same two girls, barbara easton and denise kemel. they had gone there the week before. girls night out. had a good time. and while they were at the bar, the cafe of that place, at least, brenda van dam recognized her neighbor david westerfield. and she'll tell you about the contacts she had with him up to that point. basically none.

 

they have to drive by the westerfield house to get to their house the way that you come into their neighborhood, and it was basically just a hi and 'bye as you pass them on the street. you wave at your neighbor in this new neighborhood where everyone's just moved in, and there had been no contact. no contact whatsoever. she had not been in the westerfield home. he had not been in the van dam home. she will tell you that she knew he was there, but there was very little contact with him that night. they had a good time, brenda and her two girl friends, and they went home.

she'll tell you about the second contact she had with the defendant. that will be later that week, halfway between the two fridays when she was at dad's. during that week, wednesday or thursday, she and danielle and the youngest boy dylan, were out selling girl scout cookies. she's going along with her daughter to help sell the girl scout cookies and going to all the neighborhood homes. last spot they stopped at was the westerfield home.

tell you they knocked on the door. he invited them in. and they, you know, began talking about the girl scout cookies. quickly enough, though, the two kids, danielle, seven years old, and dylan, five years old i believe, got interested in the pool out in the backyard.

mr. westerfield has a nice pool out there. and the kids wanted to go out and take a look. and brenda let them wander out there and take a look. you know, don't fall in the pool. be careful. they were out there for a bit. eventually came back in. brenda will tell you that they went nowhere else in that house. nowhere else. didn't go upstairs, didn't go in the garage, stayed with her or they were in the backyard.

she'll tell you that while she was in the house she spoke with mr. westerfield. he had just done some new work in his kitchen, some new granite tops or corovan or whatever it is on the top, and some fancy knobs, you know, that they chit-chatted about.

mr. westerfield brought up that he had seen her at dad's the week before. how come you didn't introduce me to your friend barbara. fun chick barbara. how come you didn't introduce me. she was kind of cute. well, i don't even know your name. no, it's david westerfield. they exchanged names there. he indicated to barbara van dam or brenda van dam, i'm sorry, that he would like to, you know, meet her. next time, you know, could you introduce me. let her know that i'm a rich single guy here in the neighborhood.

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250 posted on 07/29/2002 2:40:44 PM PDT by FresnoDA
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To: FresnoDA
Thanks for the thread dump. Of course there is no way I can read them or the testminony by the time the trial is over.

Others who have been familiar with the trial have in the past pointed me in the right direction whn I have asked specific questions or proposed theories. Based on that and based on my own reasoning I arrived at the above scenario which I believe answers virtually all of the objections of he Westerfield didn't do it crowd except those dealing with planted evidence.

Assuming the above scenario continues to be without substantial fault by the naysayers I believe the case then comes back to how probable is the goldilocks story.

Any comments you or others have about the three hour suggested scenario would be greatly appreciated.

251 posted on 07/29/2002 2:41:31 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: VRWC_minion
You'll get a lot more info just reading the transcripts than you will reading the threads linked above.

But I'm sure you already know that.
252 posted on 07/29/2002 2:43:54 PM PDT by EllaMinnow
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To: VRWC_minion
Possible connection to girl scouts ?

Either you are being 'sarcastic', or you are serious. If serious, then it goes back to your question about the .22 shell casing. It would appear to me and others you are attempting to remain ignorant of all information in the case.

I use the term ignorant, to mean INGORING the information. It is all here, in the internet, on FR, on tons of websites.

It is difficult discussing a subject with someone when you have to tell them the details of every subject while discussing it.

If a 22. casing was in Danielle's room before she disappeared, then the LE official that searched Danielle's room on her hands and knees the first day, is either a liar or and an idiot.

If not, then somehow, a neighbor GIRL SCOUT broke into the VD home after police had surrounded the home, marked off Danielle's room, and Brenda and/or Damon put the dog gate up in the doorway to Danielle's room, and without (just like DW) anyone (Brenda,Damon,the boys, the dog, the alarm system) noticing she snuck into Danielle's room and while curiously looking around, a .22 casing came off her shoe or out of her pocket.

253 posted on 07/29/2002 2:44:51 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
It's not unusual to look for ropes and chains when searching for a kidnapping victim is it???

Your statement above would be correct. It is not the statement I made.

254 posted on 07/29/2002 2:46:16 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: VRWC_minion
In that one of them was arrested on February 27, it makes it less likely if thinking rationally. Unless as I speculated before, that one believes he has nothing to lose. When was the second one arrested?
255 posted on 07/29/2002 2:48:23 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: VRWC_minion
Thread dump? Uhmmm, those are simply the URL's....now....as for data dumps...there has been plenty of data dumps on pedophilia....and I never whined about that? This thread was created in the early morning hours of July 30th...and the nice thing about Free Republic...it is really easy to create a new thread? Have you ever done that? Give me the link, I would love to visit it....:0)

BTW...I will double check my PING list, so you aren't bothered in the future....
256 posted on 07/29/2002 2:48:28 PM PDT by FresnoDA
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To: UCANSEE2
I use the term ignorant, to mean INGORING the information. It is all here, in the internet, on FR, on tons of websites.

I am ignorant on this issue. Could you lead me to the documentation and at the same time explain the relevance of this casing ?

257 posted on 07/29/2002 2:49:20 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: redlipstick
There you go VRWC...your very own "live" walking Trial Transcript....wow, you are really lucky.
258 posted on 07/29/2002 2:49:33 PM PDT by FresnoDA
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To: UCANSEE2
When was the second one arrested?

I missed typed. I should have said the first one was Janurary 27. I don't recall the second one's date.

259 posted on 07/29/2002 2:51:05 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: FresnoDA
BTW...I will double check my PING list, so you aren't bothered in the future....

I believe I said thank you didn't I.

I didn't know their was a ping list. Your welcome to put me on it or is it only for folks who agree with you ?

260 posted on 07/29/2002 2:52:11 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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