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Evidence On Insects Likely To Continue: (Westerfield Trial "Creeps" Along At An Ant's Pace!)
Union Trib ^ | June 29, 2002 | Alex Roth

Posted on 07/28/2002 8:56:21 PM PDT by FresnoDA

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To: shezza
Hugzzz & Kizzezzz!

(Just kidding!)

Oooooh, semantics, is it?

What's with the hostility?

121 posted on 07/29/2002 10:47:19 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: cyncooper
Do you ever get dizzy from

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122 posted on 07/29/2002 10:48:42 AM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: cyncooper
Are you kidding me? Go back and look at where the hostility directed at me began! (Hint, try post #100)
123 posted on 07/29/2002 10:51:17 AM PDT by shezza
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To: cyncooper
Oh, you're right. "Hugzz and Kizzezzz" and "Just kidding" are examples of hostility at its most vile. I apologize.
124 posted on 07/29/2002 10:53:31 AM PDT by shezza
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To: shezza; All
According to post 116, the COAST IS NOW CLEAR...post away Refugees....LOL
125 posted on 07/29/2002 10:54:35 AM PDT by FresnoDA
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To: FresnoDA
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126 posted on 07/29/2002 10:55:36 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: shezza
My post #100 was asking you a question. If you follow the replies, FDA made a derogatory comment to you about one of my replies and you seemed to agree with his characterization. That's why I was asking if you did, in fact, agree with his characterization.
127 posted on 07/29/2002 10:55:53 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: cyncooper
I give up.
128 posted on 07/29/2002 10:57:41 AM PDT by shezza
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To: FresnoDA
Not so fast there, Bucko. Looks like the hiatus promise was just a decoy.
129 posted on 07/29/2002 10:59:02 AM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: cyncooper
Why do you think it happens from him in the first place? Misplaced hositility? Misdirected anger?
130 posted on 07/29/2002 10:59:35 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
What's the spin? Am I incorrect in what I said? Wasn't Rodriguez there Thursday? Isn't Friday always a down day for the jury?
131 posted on 07/29/2002 11:00:28 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~; cyncooper
By the way, CTV just played Susan's L. testimony.
Dusek: "When David Westerfield drank, did he become forceful?"
Susan L.: "Um, I remember one occasion when he did."

Appears "forceful" was Dusek's word, not Susan's, and she clearly said "one occasion."

132 posted on 07/29/2002 11:02:10 AM PDT by shezza
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Hi Kim, Just so we have the record as clear as possible I would like to add: Brenda van Dam testified she had at least 5/6 contacts with David Westerfield. Two of those contacts were made selling Girl Scout cookies,where,according to Brenda van Dam with Danielle in tow, they entered the Westerfield home. Two of the six contacts were at Dad's Bar and Restaurant. That's four meetings. We have no idea where the two remaining contacts took place.
133 posted on 07/29/2002 11:02:26 AM PDT by BARLF
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To: shezza
Thanks. I stand corrected---I had planned to check the transcripts and that saved me some time.
134 posted on 07/29/2002 11:04:14 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: FresnoDA
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/724116/posts
135 posted on 07/29/2002 11:05:52 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: cyncooper
There was discussion about using Friday in the final phases.

There was discussion about bringing Goff last week and Mudd said it would not be right if he then could not be available for cross until after Monday.

Spin and shake it anyway you like. The delay was to accommodate the prosecution's witness and it is extremely hypocritical to then turn around and whine because the defense encounters the same problem.

If you are truly unable to see the double standard....hypocrisy......I give up.

136 posted on 07/29/2002 11:08:04 AM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: BARLF
maybe we need to recheck her testimony..we know about 3 for sure... it's been talked about so much there's no question. 2 at bar and at least once when they entered his residence..
137 posted on 07/29/2002 11:09:18 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: cyncooper; Dave_in_Upland; All
It would be intersting to know more about the beetles - did they get into them at all? I will need to check the transcripts later.

Found this......link.

Entomology

" Forensic entomology is the application of the study of insects and other arthropods to legal issues. The arthropods that are most important in forensic entomology are the carrion feeders, those that eat dead bodies. They perform valuable recycling of organic matter in our ecosystem, and they can also aid the police in solving crimes.

After death the body begins to smell, and attracts different types of insects. The insects that usually arrive first are the Diptera, in particular the blow flies, or Calliphoridae, and the flesh flies, or Sarcophagidae.

The females will lay their eggs on the body, especially around the natural orifices and in any wounds. Flesh flies do not lay eggs, but deposit larvae instead.

After about a day, depending on the species, the eggs hatch into small larvae. These larvae live on the dead tissue and grow fast. After a short time they moult, and reach the second larval instar. They continue eating and moult to the third instar (this takes about four to five days). When the larvae are fully grown they become restless and begin to wander. They are now in their prepupal stage (about eight to twelve days after the eggs were deposited). The prepupae then moult into pupae, but keep the third larval instar's skin, which becomes the puparium. Typically it takes between eighteen and twenty-four days from the eggs to the pupae stage. The exact time depends on the species and the temperature in the surroundings, so by estimating the age of the insects scientists can estimate the time of death.

One important biological phenomenon that occurs on corpses is the succession of organisms that thrive on the different parts. For example, beetles that specialise on bone have to wait until bone is exposed. Predatory rove beetles or parasites that feed on maggots have to wait until the blow flies arrive and lay their eggs.The first group to arrive is blow flies, followed shortly by staphylinids. As putrefaction develops, more groups arrive at the scene, with most groups present just before the body dries out due to seepage of liquids. Afterwards, dermestids, tineids and certain mites will be the dominant animal groups on the body, and blow flies will gradually vanish. Several insects specialise in living in very decayed dead bodies, for example, the cheese skipper, Piophila casei, where the larvae usually occur three to six months after death."

So there are certain beetles that do not arrive till the blowflies do - till they lay their eggs. If those rove beetles and other parasites were on her body as well - they could aslo track their development to see how old they were - when they arrived had to have shortly been after the blowflies - thus dating the blowflies somewhat as well.

The beetles that feed on bone would be useful too. If their prescence and age could be determined - then we'd know when she was opened up enough by animals enough to exposes her bones - thus drawing these particular beetles. If these kinds of beetles were there since early Feb. - the defense's points would be weakened.

I really do think Faulkner and Haskell considered all this stuff in coming to their decisions - it will be interesting to hear from Goff.

138 posted on 07/29/2002 11:09:51 AM PDT by mommya
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To: mommya
mommya, you are going to be an insect expert by the end of this trial!
139 posted on 07/29/2002 11:12:36 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
My info is from her testimony. PH question by Dusek in PH hearing, Brenda's own testimony. You check it out.

Anytime I speculate I try to state same. I'm not perfect in this regard but I do my utmost to make that clear.

140 posted on 07/29/2002 11:14:04 AM PDT by BARLF
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