Freeoples Thread 300

[Darlin']

The answers are: No and No. LOL

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Super Ant Colony Found in Europe

[Darlin']

Arm the pilots. Good grief. I don't even understand why the debate. I trust my life to a pilot everytime I get on the plane. Why would I not trust him with a gun ? That's just absurd.

[Darlin']

Ooooh. That's one long colony. I wonder if I could interest those folks in a remedy for ant stings. FOFL.

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The point supercat made was it is the pilot's job to fly the plane, his or her losing focus on the primary job may be hazardous.

In much the same way an emergency response team comander is trained to delegate activities, rather than get fixated on applying a bandage, and lose focus of the big picture.

I find this argument compelling, and suggest the flight attendants be given arms. The natural division of labor gives them stewardship over the passangers...

[lodwick]

Thanks, You said it so much more succinctly. My response to nully got lost some where between the keyboard and the FR.

Good grief, look at the profiles of those who committed this mayhhem, and start detaining the middle east guys, until they can prove a reason to be onboard.

Stop f#cking with white people until they hijack an airliner and don't land it properly. I am sick of this hypocrisy. We did not bomb our country - the ragheads did.

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Besides, Passengers would SEE the arms on the stews. Familiarity will decrease the typical city dweller's free floating anxiety that the gun grabbers depend on to advocate their opposition to the Second Ammendment.

Who knows? Some may even start to associate the presence of guns with increased safety.

Nahhh...

[.38sw]

Stop f#cking with white people until they hijack an airliner and don't land it properly. I am sick of this hypocrisy. We did not bomb our country - the ragheads did.

I had flew to San Diego a couple of months ago. On my way back, an elderly white couple just behind me got pulled out of line just as we were giving up our boarding passes. They were singled out for "special attention", and they were searched. This couple were quite elderly, had trouble walking. It just made me sick. Some threat, these two.

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Stop f#cking with white people until they hijack an airliner and don't land it properly. I am sick of this hypocrisy. We did not bomb our country - the ragheads did.

We can stop on the hispanics, blacks, and asians too...

[Servant of the Nine]

In much the same way an emergency response team comander is trained to delegate activities, rather than get fixated on applying a bandage, and lose focus of the big picture.

I find this argument compelling, and suggest the flight attendants be given arms. The natural division of labor gives them stewardship over the passangers...

First, most pilots are former military officers and have some combat training, even if only in Escape and Evasion School.

Second, pilots are chosen for their abilities to think clearly and quickly in emergencies. Some Flight Attendants may have that ability, but many would not be competent in that role.

Third, the important issue is to defend the cockpit. It is far safer for the aircraft and most of the passengers to have a pilot shooting out through the broken cockpit door and the hijacker than having anyone shooting into the cockpit, the pilots and a complex, delicate fly by wire control system through that door and hijacker.

So9

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So you favor not allowing the flight attendants to defend themselves?

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ummm, we're over here...

[Servant of the Nine]

So you favor not allowing the flight attendants to defend themselves?

I favor letting everyone who can pass a background check have a Federal Concealed Carry Permit and be armed on any flight, including the flight attendants.

Nevertheless, the pilots are presumptively the most competent persons on board and should be the first armed.

So9

[lodwick]

We can stop on the hispanics, blacks, and asians too...

Absolutely true. Thanks for bringing back into focus that it was ONE sh*t crazy, group of religiously f#ucked nutjobs that are mudering all others.

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Then you do agree that stews should be armed.

(We should demand that both Stews and Pilots be armed, under the theory that if you want a kitten, start by asking for a pony)...

[Darlin']

I can apprecaite that argument but commercial aircraft do not rely on one individual in the cockpit, there's a minimum of two pilots. While one is flying the plane the other one could be killing terrorist trying to invade the cockpit. Most commerical pilots have some military training and are well familiar with weapons but Flight Attendants aren't. Besides, no disrespect intended but I can't think of too many Flight Attendants I'd want to see armed. If a flight attendant is "packing", the weapon would need to be easily accessible and therefore most likely visible. If I were a male terrorist I believe I could find a way to overpower that Stew and avail myself of her weapon. Terrorist wouldn't need to worry about getting a weapon through security, the Stew would have done that for him.

[sweetliberty]

"We just thought it was intuition."

Well, now you know better. LOL.

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Good point, but there are technical solutions that would allow only the Stew to fire his or her weapon. A coded biochip in the hand comes to mind, or a coded ring, or print recognition. It doesn't have to be perfect, there are redundant flight attendants.

Arming both cabin and flight deck crews also provides redundancy. In this case the cabin crew allows the flight crew to stay focused on their primary task, while providing them with the final layer of defense...

[Servant of the Nine]

If I were a male terrorist I believe I could find a way to overpower that Stew and avail myself of her weapon. Terrorist wouldn't need to worry about getting a weapon through security, the Stew would have done that for him.

A telling point. If Flight Atendants are armed, they are totally vulnerable to having the aisle seat passenger lift their piece when the bend across to serve the window seat pasenger.

We need to Arm pilots now, then passengers, and flight atendants last. They are the most vulnerable to having their weapons stolen by terrorists.

So9

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You trust random passangers more than Stews? Now I'm confused...