Posted on 04/10/2002 5:17:17 AM PDT by AppyPappy
I see. So prohibiting someone the right of choice with viewing, reading, or listening about something isn't censorship? Only speaking? I wasn't aware censorship had such a small area of definition like this.
So telling people that cannot speak out against smut on TV is censorship
Once again you're refusing to listen, rather turning anything said against censorship into an attempt of censoring yourself. Wrong. For someone who is so readily to decry others as being 'liberal' you seem to have adopted their "freedom of speech for me, but not for thee" montra quite well.
The sponsors VOLUNTARILY agreed to remove their sponsorship.
Lets see what Webster says:
extort: To obtain by coercive means, as threats or intimidation.
voluntary: 1a. Arising from one's own free will. 1b. Acting on one's own initiative.
Funny, you threaten a boycott and then proclaim it was a voluntary choice by the victim of the threats. Lovely.
So unless you believe the State should force them to sponsor programs, you have no argument.
Actually the more and more you post, the more and more transparent your own argument becomes. Threaten a boycott and then proclaim it was a "voluntary" choice. Say those against you are like "Stalin" except ignore the fact he too also took freedom of choice away from his people. Attempt to interpret any statement of censorship into some attack against your own right of freedom of speech. Resort to name-calling with those who disagree with you.
I have seen the show a few times, and it is very violent, and I can see where it might offend people...but there are warnings posted before each segment, so if someone thinks something on the show might offend them, they have time to switch the channel...or not...
I have no real problem with folks exercising their freedom of speech by supporting this boycott with their emails to the sponsor...
But in this case, I think that the boycott will be one big flop...because there are always other sponsors willing to fill the void, which they most certainly will do on a hit show...and other sponsors will simply tell those who are boycotting, to get lost...And as long as ratings for The Shield are high enough, FX will retain it, and the sponsors will come, boycott or not...
Really? Then what is the goal of your threatened boycott against the sponsors of the television program you have declared as "smut"? To have it removed from the broadcasts? Then you have just done that. Rather the NOT watching it, you've opted to dictate your own choice to everyone else who might want to watch it.
The Sponsors CHOSE to drop their sponsorships when the facts were given to them
Sort of reminds me when the North Vietnamese proclaimed American prisoners CHOSE to sign confessions.
I don't see where you are going with this.
Of course not. You're so caught up with your attempts to impose your own moral values and dictate censorship upon anyone who disagrees with you, you can't even see the facts staring you in the face. Instead you're off declaring "victory" upon the errosion of someone elses right of choice in this country. Fanatics rarely see any sort of debate.
I am not quick to jump for boycotts where advertising on a TV show is construed as endorsement for the content of the show. I think it is a weak link... But if this kind of stunt works, then show content will surely become part of the decision-making process in marketing departments at sponser companies, and perhaps it will work to a good end.
LOL. NOW you're getting weak. Trying to make it MY problem instead of yours? Want to know why, because you and your kind haven't prevented me from exercising my right of choice in this forum.... yet. You've already started with it on the television.
Practice what I preach.... you mean about every American having the right of freedom of choice in this country? Yes, it would be nice is more American's practiced this, rather then censoring those that they don't agree with.
Are you saying that censorship happens when a program is removed due to low ratings? After all, your right to view it is violated, right?
Are you also saying that Freedom of Association constitutes extortion? We told the Democrats we wouldn't vote for them in 2000 because they supported Clinton. Was that extortion?
I wonder if the same argument would hold true if people shut down the OneMillionDads.com web site by threatening to boycott it's network provider? Would you and AppyPappy be here "Oh well, guess that's just how freedom of the marketplace goes". My money is on you'd be screaming to the high heavens on how someone is attempting to censor you.
ROFL! This is getting pathetic.
person a: "I'm against censorship"
person b: "What? How DARE you dictate my market decision!"
person a: Huh?
Pot, meet Kettle
OneMillionDads proclaiming this 'victory', meet Hitler, Stalin, Amin, Noriaga, and a long list of people who took it upon themselves that they knew what was 'best' for everyone else. Likewise, they too claimed 'victory' when they were able to do it.
Here's an idea, if you don't like what OMD is doing, just turn your head. Just like you do with your TV set.
Don't bet on any horses. You'll lose on that too. BTW you're "projecting" in case you want to know.
That would all depend on how much the "people" are paying to keep the provider up and running.
I don't "do" many of the boycotts. I don't boycott Disney. I don't boycott AT&T. I did let Levi Strauss know I was unhappy about their decision to pull money their support from the Boy Scouts.
Why do you have a problem with us saying "if you do this, we'll spend our money somewhere else?"
Have you never told a politician that if he supported a certain position you'd vote for someone else?
I'm all for free speech. If these shows can get support, then they're welcome to air. But I don't have to help them.
One man's trash is another man's treasure.
I remember a Libertarian telling me that Reagan didn't start the War on Drugs, it was Miami Vice and the cowboy cop shows.
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