The Covenant Line: From Eden to Independence Hall

expansion of prior articles ^ | 3/25/02 | OP

[Jerry_M]

Did you notice that the "Religion" forum is now up and running?

[RnMomof7]

I was just going to bump that...so here it goes....Bump to a religious forum guys

[Khepera]

Hoo Ray!

[CCWoody]

Founding on the silence of foe, as well as on the testimony of friend, we conclude that there were disciples of the Gospel in Britain certainly by the middle of the second century, and probably before the end of the first…

BTW, there is a "legend" of sorts from my own Episcopal background which says that Mary traveled with Joseph of Arimathea to Briton where she established the Episcopal church and planted a staff somewhere there (my parent have been to the spot) that blooms to this day.

[RnMomof7]

Can not post there yet..I just tried a Passover sermon..

[Khepera]

I got the first post in :)

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

I'll take your word for it. From what I read so far, I can tell you spent some time on it. Did you have some spare time on your hands or did you have another reason to do the work? 16 posted on 3/25/02 10:29 AM Pacific by Wrigley

Well, Sunday evening Church was cancelled.

So, I got started on this Sunday afternoon after the Church fellowship dinner about 3 or 4 pm, and... well, once I got started, I knew that the work-week began again the next day, so I determined to finish it that same day.

Thus, I worked straight through to 1:30AM, and finished my latest "opus". Posted this morning before heading to work.

[Matchett-PI]

"I suppose it's a little odd to claim that there were Calvinists a thousand years before Calvin was born.."

Biblical Truth never changes. Calvin just agreed with it.

What makes me laugh is the fact that some people here on Free Republic rail on and on about "the media" and how they are so "biased" -- that they slant the news toward the "liberal" viewpoint, and try to silence those with whom they don't agree -- but many of these people are engaging in the very same emotionally immature, biased, censuring, politically correct, legalistic behavior here on these threads. :D

If they can't refute the message, they attack the messenger(s). And rather than not reading or participating in threads with subject matter or personalities they can't emotionally handle, they attempt to prevent others who don't have these emotional problems from reading them by trying to get them pulled under the guise of "abuse".

Soooooooo many feminized males and air-head females ..... sooooo little time. :D

Thanks so much for all the time and effort you put into compiling and condensing all this info about the history of the church in one handy place, OP. I have quickly scanned it and it is definately the keeper I knew it would be! I copied it into my email program so I can read it more carefully later when I have more time. I didn't want to take the chance that it might not be here when I come back to read it later on. I will send this liink out to some others that I know will appreciate reading it also.

[RnMomof7]

We do but repeat the very clear testimony of history when we say that Calvinism has been the creed of saints and heroes. "Whatever the cause," says Froude, "the Calvinists were the only fighting Protestants. It was they whose faith gave them courage to stand up for the Reformation, and but for them the Reformation would have been lost.

Excellent post OP..I am going to have to read it a couple more times to absorb it I thnk!

Politically, Calvinism has been the chief source of modern republican government. Calvinism and republicanism are related to each other as cause and effect; and where a people are possessed of the former, the latter will soon be developed. Calvin himself held that the Church, under God, was a spiritual republic; and certainly he was a republican in theory.

The president today gave ALL the credit for our Republic to the Greeks and their Philosophy . I do understand the historical componant to that belief but I would credit the founding principle on a belief in God..

I am reading a book suggested by Jean..it says that Geveva was a place that flourished under Calvin..that is was a thriving place with social and human needs met..

It would be interesting to read the impact of Geneva on our governement

[A.J.Armitage]

Wow. Thanks.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Hey, Dan...

I posted a cool Church History thread which I think you will like a lot.

Read and Enjoy.

Best,
OP

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Wow. Thanks. 30 posted on 3/25/02 4:36 PM Pacific by A.J.Armitage

Ain't nothin' to it. Sunday Evening worship was cancelled, so I was bored. ;-)

Enjoy. Best, OP

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Bump. Cool post which you will enjoy.

Best, OP

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Wesleyan Arminian Free Methodist Bump for later read 19 posted on 3/25/02 10:53 AM Pacific by Revelation 911

How terribly unhappy for you, friend. :-(

The Calvinist Baptists can trace their noble heritage through the traces of the Waldensians, and likewise the Calvinist Presbyterians through the traces of the Culdees of Scottish Iona...

..But for the Arminians, no such heritage is found, save the deliberate fabrication of their entire belief system at the hands of Counter-Reformationist Jesuits, for the specific purpose of perverting and subverting the holy doctrines of the Reformation.

No trace of Arminianism is found in the annals of the Persecuted History of the True Church; rather, it begins as a Counterfeit, and it proceeds forth as a Lie.

Maybe that should give you pause.

[RnMomof7]

I lost you among the new forum junk ...thanks for the flag

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

In deference to the Moderators, I posted this thread to the "General Interest" Forum.

Given the preponderance of crap otherwise found in the "General Interest" section (I mean, c'mon.... Anna Kournikova is darn cute, but I am not 100% sure how she "advances conservatism"), I should *hope* that the Moderators would refrain from pulling what is, ultimately, an involved and carefully-researched AMERICAN HISTORY thread (at least in part).

[RnMomof7]

Well go look at the "news" section and see the general junk posted there..no one knows where to go! Confusion reigns

[CCWoody]

I guess you have found your way back. I have even finished my own notes of Proverbs 4 formatted for html (what else would you expect for a Freeper). I have even included an exposition of Galatians 3:24 which could get me in trouble tomorrow night as it is a beautiful Calvinist verse.

[Revelation 911]

....But for the Arminians, no such heritage is found, save the deliberate fabrication of their entire belief system at the hands of Counter-Reformationist Jesuits, for the specific purpose of perverting and subverting the holy doctrines of the Reformation.

You know, I was pinged to the thread - I bump it as an interesting read and note MY theological basis in the process, thinking I could demonstrate to some oaf in the process (read you) that a Free Methodist could approach it with interest, yet I get bashed in a very Un Christianlike manner -

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If you spent a few moments reading up on Wesley (between rabid posts) youd understand quickly even he found them a bit to fervent for his likes, yet aspects intrigued him

I would like to think Calvins, Arminian Wesleyans and Catholics are all Christians despite thier theological differences, and as such came to the thread with interest.

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As for RNmomof7, - if this is typical of Calvin threads please refrain from bumping me.

Please DO include me in future prayer requests. Blessings to you.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

You know, I was pinged to the thread - I bump it as an interesting read and note MY theological basis in the process, thinking I could demonstrate to some oaf in the process (read you) that a Free Methodist could approach it with interest, yet I get bashed in a very Un Christianlike manner -

Frankly, Rev, if your belief system is not true, warning you so is the most Christian thing a person can do.

But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand. -- Ezekiel 33:6

If you spent a few moments reading up on Wesley (between rabid posts) youd understand quickly even he found them a bit to fervent for his likes, yet aspects intrigued him... I would like to think Calvins, Arminian Wesleyans and Catholics are all Christians despite thier theological differences, and as such came to the thread with interest.

This is what a lot of people would like to think.
But if it ain't true, it ain't true.

That minority of Arminians and Roman Catholics who are Saved and are Christians, are Christians despite their Arminianism and Catholicism. These belief systems do not aid the progress of the Gospel; they subvert it. These belief systems do not assist a man in attaining salvation; they hinder him.

Why, then, would you want anyone to believe these theological systems?