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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

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To: Sam Cree
Say, could you give me your arguments against the 7mm.08 and the .308?

Sorry it took me a few days to get to this, Sam... here it is:

The .308 Winchester came about as a result of the U.S. Army's search for a cartridge to replace the venerable .30-06 Springfield. There was nothing wrong with the ballistics of the .30-06, in fact they were considered ideal, but the cartridge itself was too long for optimum operation in automatic weapons.

.308 is by far the most popular sniping round, and for good reason. .308 is not punishing to shoot, has good terminal ballistics, and is consistent. While there are rounds that outperform .308 in ballistics, there are few that perform as consistently as .308. And consistency is accuracy.

That said, the .308 has significant bullet drop (6.5 – 9 in at 300 yds, 13 - 16 in at 400 yds) which makes accurate range estimation critical. Few do it well… you can remedy this by buying a laser range finder, but that’s one more gadget to carry…

Soon after the .308 Win. was introduced, back in 1952, wildcatters had a field day necking the new, strong, short case up and down. One of the neatest results was the 7mm-08 wildcat, the .308 necked down to accept .284 inch (7mm) diameter bullets. It didn't equal the ballistics of the classic .270, but it gave about 90% of that performance, enough to be satisfying, and it would work in any action for which the .308 could be chambered.

The 7mm-08 is the same length as the older 284 Winchester and operates at about the same pressure. The 7mm-08 has substantially less capacity, though, and generates significantly inferior ballistics. This being the case, then why did Remington standardize the 7mm-08? To sell rifles…

The 120 grain bullet would be a good choice for small, light framed animals (east coast deer, antelope)…. For most big game hunting, I would select the 140 grain bullet. With a rifle zeroed at 200 yards, both the 120 and 140 grain bullets are 2.9 inches low at 250 yards according to Remington figures. At 300 yards both bullets strike 7.3 inches low. This gives the 7mm-08 about a 275 yard point blank range on big game (where no hold-over is required), which makes it a flatter shooter than the .308.

All things considered, I still prefer the venerable, versatile, reliable 30.06 and .270…and I wouldn’t give up my 7mm RemMag fer nuthin… If yer nephew wants a short action, may I suggest 7mm WSM OR 7mm Rem SAUM…

The 7mm WSM and 7mm Rem. SAUM are short action magnum cartridges that attempt to gain in width the powder capacity that they sacrifice in length. In other words, they are short but very fat cartridges with sharp shoulders. They nearly duplicate the ballistic performance of the Remington 7mm Magnum in cartridges that will function through short action rifles… These shoot flatter (accurate range estimation not a critical) and deliver more punch… just my two cents...

38,981 posted on 11/05/2002 6:08:48 AM PST by g'nad
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To: ksen
Is it Burlington? I heard something about that, but thought it was another town. They're all a bunch of flatlanders over that way, anyway. Very few real Vermonters.

And you're right...there's about a week every year when going nude would even be...well...practical isn't the word, but...

38,982 posted on 11/05/2002 6:14:30 AM PST by RosieCotton
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To: ksen
mailed my absentee ballot last week... called all my conservative friends and told 'em I'd kick their @$$ if they didn't vote...
38,983 posted on 11/05/2002 6:16:34 AM PST by g'nad
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To: Corin Stormhands
Corin,

I'll keep your father-in-law and your family in my prayers, particularly your wife. Sounds like she has some tough times ahead of her.

How is the little one today? He was the one who had strep, right? I had that once as a kid and then again a few years back. It was NOT something I ever want to experience again.
38,984 posted on 11/05/2002 6:17:42 AM PST by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
15.....
38,985 posted on 11/05/2002 6:20:37 AM PST by ksen
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To: ksen; Overtaxed; Sam Cree; carton253; g'nad; Corin Stormhands; All
Good morning all! So...today is the eighth day of my job search. I have an interview sort of thing this morning with the placement agency my [former] company hooked us up with. We'll see if they're able to do any more for me than I've been able to do on my own...it's free, so I might as well give it a shot.
38,986 posted on 11/05/2002 6:20:50 AM PST by RosieCotton
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To: ksen
Behave!
38,987 posted on 11/05/2002 6:21:24 AM PST by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
I'm pretty sure they said Burlington. But then I was only half listening.
38,988 posted on 11/05/2002 6:21:42 AM PST by ksen
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To: RosieCotton
Behave!

I'm trying! It's......difficult.......must resist......the.......dark side!


38,989 posted on 11/05/2002 6:23:33 AM PST by ksen
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To: ksen
Race you to the precious!
38,990 posted on 11/05/2002 6:24:55 AM PST by carton253
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To: ksen
Race you to the precious!
38,991 posted on 11/05/2002 6:24:56 AM PST by carton253
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To: ksen
Race you to the precious!
38,992 posted on 11/05/2002 6:24:56 AM PST by carton253
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To: ksen
Race you to the precious!
38,993 posted on 11/05/2002 6:24:57 AM PST by carton253
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To: ksen
Race you to the precious!
38,994 posted on 11/05/2002 6:24:57 AM PST by carton253
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To: ksen
Race you to the precious!
38,995 posted on 11/05/2002 6:24:58 AM PST by carton253
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To: ksen
Race you to the precious!
38,996 posted on 11/05/2002 6:24:59 AM PST by carton253
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To: ksen
Race you to the precious!
38,997 posted on 11/05/2002 6:24:59 AM PST by carton253
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To: ksen
Race you to the precious!
38,998 posted on 11/05/2002 6:25:00 AM PST by carton253
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To: carton253
Mine
38,999 posted on 11/05/2002 6:25:08 AM PST by carton253
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To: carton253
Mine
39,000 posted on 11/05/2002 6:25:09 AM PST by carton253
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