The New Hobbit Hole

[RosieCotton]

I'd never thought of the "Elrond as Racist" angle

That is NOT what I said or meant! Brat...

I just meant his little going down the list saying "dwarves won't help you 'cause they only care about dwarves, men are weak, so of course you have to come crying to US - well, we can't help you, sorry!"

[Corin Stormhands]

I wonder who would be the Middle-Earth equivalent of Jesse Jackson?

Even Tolkien couldn't create something that scary...

[ksen]

That and the equally arrogant treatment of Haldir....

I kinda like Haldir.

[Corin Stormhands]

I kinda like Haldir.

Sellout...

[RosieCotton]

I kinda like Haldir.

The MOVIE version?

I worry about you sometimes, ksen, I really do...;-)

[Overtaxed]

I kinda like Haldir.

Oooh...what you said! You just wait 'til g'nad gets back, snoot-lover!

[ksen]

Couldn't Haldir see that Legolas was with the company? And Legolas was ready to soot Lothlorien elves too!

I thought that scene was pretty cool. You could see the tension in Legolas' face. He would have killed fellow elves for the sake of their mission.

I also noticed that the Lothlorien elves didn't seem to have the same qualms that Legolas seemed to have.

[ksen]

The MOVIE version?

Actually, I think I like the book version better. In the book he seemed to be more on the Fellowship's side than in the movie version.

[RosieCotton]

What is the deal with the Mirkwood elves and the Lothlorien elves? Couldn't Haldir see that Legolas was with the company?

A lot about that scene didn't make sense...I mean, elves are supposed to have "super keen" (as Liv Tyler said) sight, and these elves KNEW Aragorn and also would have seen that there was a wood elf with the Company.

I can see them being wary, since the Lothlorien elves were supposed to be highly suspicious of outsiders (and most of the Company would fall into this group), but surrounding them with archers seems a bit extreme, no?

[Bear_in_RoseBear]

Good morning all...

I'm really glad it's Friday.

Hope everyone has a good day!

[RosieCotton]

Actually, I think I like the book version better. In the book he seemed to be more on the Fellowship's side than in the movie version.

OK, you are [partially] forgiven. The book Haldir isn't a bad guy - he was basically a guard and a lot of weird stuff had been going on, so he was being extra careful.

The movie Haldir was a snoot at BEST.

[rightwingreligiousfanatic]

Sorry, my computer burped and I had to totally reboot....

and the equally arrogant treatment of Haldir turned me into an ElfBasher

Don't get me started on Haldir and Celeborn and their gang or you will turn me into one too.... LOL!

But I am resisting the temptation solely due to Legolas. This is no elf to bash:

[Overtaxed]

but surrounding them with archers seems a bit extreme, no?

Seemed extreme to me too. Just surrounding them should have been enough. Maybe Haldir was on some power trip.

[rightwingreligiousfanatic]

The Mirkwood elves then became the Keebler elves and the Lothlorien elves became Snap, Crackle, Pop.

ROFL! Too funny.... The elves aren't as bright as they think they are sometimes...

[Overtaxed]

Just surrounding them should have been enough

I meant that surrounding them and just standing there as opposed to pointing arrows at them.

[rightwingreligiousfanatic]

but surrounding them with archers seems a bit extreme, no?

Seemed extreme to me too

Yeah, and if Galadriel was so "all-seeing" why didn't she know they were coming and send Haldir to greet them instead of harassing them. Unless.... maybe she did and it is all a power trip in Haldir's little head (he just wanted to bash the dwarf, why....the no good....)

ooooohhhhhh.......I'm getting mad now.......

[RosieCotton]

Well...in the book Gimli wasn't exactly blameless. Haldir had his orders to blindfold him and Gimli threw a hissy fit until Aragorn said, "OK, we'll blindfold EVERYONE! Happy now?"

[RosieCotton]

Seemed extreme to me too. Just surrounding them should have been enough. Maybe Haldir was on some power trip.

Hm...could be.

You mean there are still MORE reasons to dislike Haldir? Amazing!

[rightwingreligiousfanatic]

That's it. Galadriel says, "Haldir, I perceive there are friendly visitors arriving in our wood who need our help. Go forth and welcome them and bring them to me...." And he goes out and just because he smells a dwarf in the group, he says, "OK let's surround them, pretend we are going to shoot them and scare the living xxxx out of them! Hehehehehe!" That no good Haldir. He's the problem. He's a dwarf hater, he is.... Oh, that does it! I'm fuming....

[Overtaxed]

if Galadriel was so "all-seeing" why didn't she know they were coming

They did know they were coming. Celeborn said there are only eight, where is Gandalf?

I think Haldir was just tripping.