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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

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To: RosieCotton; All
I gotta get offline...Matt needs the computer for his school. See you this evening!
18,941 posted on 08/14/2002 1:14:50 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
I gotta get offline...Matt needs the computer for his school.

Can't you talk to the teacher about that?

18,942 posted on 08/14/2002 1:15:34 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Alkhin
Sorry doll.... words in print are cold unless artfully written... and mine weren't. I didn't mean "worked up" in the incurable sense... I was really tryin to get you to not worry about it, because I thought the story made you mad.

We both need forgiveness for bein' so serious!

Hey all - I am back!
18,943 posted on 08/14/2002 1:26:02 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog; Overtaxed; ksen
Hey all - I am back!

You missed ElfBash!

18,944 posted on 08/14/2002 1:27:19 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: HairOfTheDog; Overtaxed; ksen; RosieCotton; Bear_in_RoseBear; g'nad; 2Jedismom
Okay all. I'm out of here for now. See you later this evening.
18,945 posted on 08/14/2002 1:29:58 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands; Alkhin
I didn't miss anything good then!

Don't get me mad... I am tryin' to convince Alkhin that I am fun!
18,946 posted on 08/14/2002 1:31:14 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Alkhin; 2Jedismom; Corin Stormhands; g'nad; Bear_in_RoseBear; Overtaxed; JenB
Speaking of crabby.... This guy is definately crabby, and apparently the only one on the planet (at least the LOTR-related planet) who didn't know there were gonna be two different DVDs till he got it home:

Rude surprise awaits `Fellowship' DVD buyers

By Glenn Lovell, Associated Press, 08/14/2002

According to J.R.R. Tolkien's "Lord of the Rings" trilogy, whoever possesses the One True Ring will be drawn to the dark side and, among other things, be consumed by greed. Obviously New Line -- still drooling over the success of "The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring," the first of its three "Rings" movies -- has fallen under the spell of Dark Lord Sauron and the Ruling Ring. How else to explain the company's "Fellowship" DVD, which is, for all intents and purposes, a shameless marketing tool?

 
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For $29.95 (discounts available at stores), you get two discs, meager liner notes and a $5 rebate certificate for something called the "Special Extended Edition" of "Fellowship," due in stores Nov. 12 for $39.99.

What?! The set you've just purchased isn't the one true "Fellowship" DVD? Sorry, no. In a classic bait-and-switch, New Line has sold you the Oscar-winning adventure (in pan-and-scan or original widescreen aspect ratio), a couple of recycled behind-the-scenes shorts and hard-sell come-ons for the next "Fellowship" DVD and the next "Rings" movie, "The Two Towers" (due Dec. 18). The upcoming "special edition" DVD, we're told, will contain six hours of production goodies plus 30 minutes of scenes deleted from the first saga -->How does "Rings" director Peter Jackson feel about double-dipping into his fans' pockets? He's fine with it, in a contradictory kind of way. "I'm not a big fan of the term `director's cut' ... but I'm a huge fan of special edition DVDs," he explains during a teaser for the DVD you thought you were buying instead of the one now in front of you.

So what was dropped from the original "Fellowship"? Quite a bit, judging from this advance peek at the November DVD. Jackson filmed, then deleted, a more elaborate introduction to Hobbiton, scenes of Bilbo (Ian Holm) working on his memoirs, more footage of Gandalf (Ian McKellen) counseling Frodo (Elijah Wood) on the powers of the ring, more intrigue among the elves of Lothlorien, and a touching sequence in which Gimli the warrior dwarf (John Rhys-Davis) confesses his love for Galadriel (Cate Blanchett), the elven queen.

According to a New Line news release, the extended edition "will plunge the viewer into the complex landscape of Middle-Earth, and reveal how Jackson and his team of skilled artists and technicians created a painstakingly beautiful and faithful re-creation of Tolkien's world."

Actually, the current DVD does plenty of plunging -- albeit through two repackaged TV specials. We learn more about New Zealand locations, casting, costumes, weapons and ghastly makeup effects than even the most die-hard Tolkien buff would want to know.

Everyone interviewed -- from McKellen to Blanchett -- swoons over the "realistic" sets and overall Middle-Earth ambience of "Fellowship." McKellen adds that he always had the book "to hand" to catch production errors or inconsistencies, and Blanchett tells us she always wanted to wear pointy ears. During a tour of the makeup shop, Jackson is caught fretting over oversize Hobbit feet that "jiggle."

That advance look at "Two Towers"? Disc 2 reveals the upcoming film to be darker and more violent that the first installment. Jackson, who leads us on a tour of the armory and workshops, describes it as "a story of genocide." We see a lot more of Gollum, the digital creature who is only glimpsed in the first movie. The new movie will climax with the epic battle of Isengard, which, we're told, will be a combination of live action, digitally rendered soldiers and a miniature bastion under siege.

Not content to just flog the upcoming DVD and the next movie, the current disc also pushes publisher Houghton Mifflin's book supplements, including "The Fellowship of the Rings Visual Companion." In a thinly disguised ad, we meet the late Rayner Unwin, the son of Tolkien's original publisher. Unwin recounts how he was paid a shilling at age 10 to review the first book, "The Hobbit." Later, when he inherited the Tolkien account, Unwin recommended that the sprawling epic be divided into three more manageable volumes. "Tolkien hated the idea," he recalls.

My advice: Buy this disc (in widescreen, of course), or wait three months for the Special Edition. Don't get both and encourage Hollywood in this practice of selling variations on the same product over and over again. Should the two-disc and four-disc "Fellowship" both turn huge profits, what do you bet that "Two Towers," when it comes to DVD next year at this time, will be followed by a second, third and fourth edition, each more special than the one that preceded it?


18,947 posted on 08/14/2002 1:41:14 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
AWWWWWWWWWWWWWW :<!!!! I'm sorry that I posted all of that now!! You are right. Text format is way too cold...and my fingers not nimble enough to graphically depict my exact mood. My chip on my shoulder is all forgotten now (((Hugs)))

don't mean to be so serious...nor do I wish to give the impression that I am 'angry' or worried...trust me, I am able to convey that quite well when I want to. But truely, FR is the only forum where I can bring up a subject like this, even in passing comment, and not be castigated for my views, or preached at for being so moralistic. The last thing I wish to be is moralistic.

But I guess it bothers me, as someone who writes herself, to read about a gentleman (whom I would have liked to write a letter to myself) who was so imaginative and passionate about his vision as someone that others laughingly chalk up as having had a psychedelic experience.

That's probably why it bothers me, Hair. As a writer, I can well imagine that it's rather disheartening to have all that you poured your heart and soul into being dismissed as something vulgar like drugs. Tolkien poured quite a bit of himself into the story (Beren and Luthien). And as someone who has tried for years to create her own 'secondary world', I can only imagine what he must have felt when reports came in about how SERIOUS fans were taking his writing...or how TWISTED they made it.

18,948 posted on 08/14/2002 1:41:47 PM PDT by Alkhin
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To: HairOfTheDog
The new movie will climax with the epic battle of Isengard, which, we're told, will be a combination of live action, digitally rendered soldiers and a miniature bastion under siege.

I think he mispelled "Helm's Deep".

18,949 posted on 08/14/2002 1:53:54 PM PDT by ksen
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To: Alkhin
Seeeee? It does too make you mad!

hehehe - Sorry to give you a hard time... lol... really! :~D

I guess as the only one here who will admit to ever being "there", I will say that rather than "dismissing it as something vulgar like drugs" they "get it" more than you think, and they really mean it to be a compliment to great imagery and events. Your vision of drugs is ugly and vulgar, there's isn't, they have fun with it.

To them, it reminds them of a good thing, hard as that is for you to imagine. They know how cool the story is if they are equating it to their best stuff. Hahahahaha - never mind! - This isn't gonna work with you I know it even as I write it, but what the heck.

18,950 posted on 08/14/2002 2:02:32 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Sometimes I have to wonder what AP writers have against the concept of free enterprise. Then I remember... they're all left of Lenin.
18,951 posted on 08/14/2002 2:03:56 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: ksen
Yes, he clearly has a habit of not paying attention!
18,952 posted on 08/14/2002 2:05:45 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
He's not only crabby...he doesn't know what he's talking about. Typical AP.

I bet his picture is beside the definition of "Bald-faced Moron" in the dictionary, don't you?

I got this from Tahanu:

Hi Kim,
We'll be doing something, but we don't have time to think about it until after DragonCon at the end of August. We're busy planning for that right now. There is a huge multi-website event being mooted which we are looking at getting involved in. It's called the Tolkien Gathering - your search engine should find that OK. They'll try and show all three movies one after the other, among other things. Cheers, Tehanu

18,953 posted on 08/14/2002 2:13:44 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: HairOfTheDog
I haven't run a search yet, kinda busy with the kids...see what you can find, would ya Sis?
18,954 posted on 08/14/2002 2:15:41 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
Jest waiting on the darn thing to get here! :o)
18,955 posted on 08/14/2002 2:20:32 PM PDT by Ladysmith
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To: 2Jedismom
Tolkien Gathering in Texas

As time goes on we're going to see a lot of these; all credit to Josephina for getting the ball rolling sooner than most. Here's her invitation:

"Dear Tolkien fans all over the world,

We have started to work out the details for the Fan Fellowship Gathering in Dallas, Texas to celebrate the release of the first LOTR movie "The Fellowship of the Ring," together as fans from all over the world.

If you are already on the attending list please send me your email address so I can contact you and keep you personally posted. If you are not yet on our list and wish to join us please send me an email. And please send me your true name also - it will look better on the list we send to the contact people . Your email address will not pass me. Only your names for attendance information. Thanks .

I will arrange a Motel for fans to stay at the night before and the night after the movie. ( you will have to provide the costs yourself but I will see if I can make this as cheap as possible for you )

As far as we know the date is SET for the 19th of December 2001. Let us have a tad more confirmation on that, hopefully within the next week or so, then we can start ordering our flight tickets.

We have wonderful contacts and it looks like this is going to be a promising event

18,956 posted on 08/14/2002 2:20:51 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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Ummmm that was someone called "Tehanu" talking.
18,957 posted on 08/14/2002 2:22:59 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
All that guy wrote was a rant that he had to get off his chest because he thought he was getting more than what his money paid for.

For one thing, he was had if he paid that much for the DVD. If he didn't shop around for a better price, why lay all his bile on us if he feels he didn't get his "money's worth". Good Lord.

I've written more rational (IMO) rants than this and didn't get paid a thin dime for them, although you here have been blessed with the fruit of my thought. LOL
18,958 posted on 08/14/2002 2:25:17 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: Overtaxed
Well, if he's talking about doing the same thing for 2004, I'm thrilled! Dallas is only a few hours away!
18,959 posted on 08/14/2002 2:27:38 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: Ladysmith
Still haven't gotten it? Hmmm...should be soon.

I won another bid on one yesterday. $6.99! Figure I'll give it to my neighbor...she's been wanting one.
18,960 posted on 08/14/2002 2:30:10 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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