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The New Hobbit Hole
Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands
Sneak?
To: Overtaxed
You're buying, right?Hey, I already sprang for the link. ;^)
17,202
posted on
08/07/2002 8:09:39 AM PDT
by
ksen
To: Overtaxed
Rats!
To: ksen
Hey, I already sprang for the link. ;^) Hehehe
How about if I buy a new TV and hook up the old one to the computer? I have the S cable adapter and RCA cables....yeah...that'll work!
To: g'nad; Overtaxed
I believe the only time in the books where we "see" Gandalf and Saruman face to face, is when they're on the road back to Shire...I don't recall that comment...could be wrong... You may be correct. And look, you snagged the semi-precious without even sneaking...
I wasn't paying attention (but I've explained that over on the daily Ritalin is the Mark of the Beast thread...)
To: Overtaxed
I don't think my desk is big enough for two monitors and a cat.That's why you need to go with the flat panel monitor, space savings.
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posted on
08/07/2002 8:23:24 AM PDT
by
ksen
To: ksen; Overtaxed
That's why you need to go with the flat panel monitor, space savings. Or a flatter cat...
To: Corin Stormhands
Or a flatter cat... Kitty wouldn't like that.
To: Corin Stormhands
I believe the only time in the books where we "see" Gandalf and Saruman face to face, is when they're on the road back to Shire...I don't recall that comment...could be wrong...They see each other at Orthnac and I think, although I have no reference handy, that Saruman mentions something about the weed there.
To: Corin Stormhands
You may be correct. And look, you snagged the semi-precious without even sneaking... or was I? To sneak, without sneaking, is the secret to mastering sneaking...
To: doubled
They see each other at Orthnac and I think You are right of course...I don't remember a pipe weed reference...
To: g'nad; doubled
I don't remember a pipe weed reference... Well, you know what they say, if you can remember the 60s you weren't really there...
To: g'nad; Wordsmith; Corin Stormhands
Well, there are a lot of pipe-weed references during the events at Orthanc in the Voice of Saruman, but a quick search did not find a reference to Gandalf's love of it or the slowing of his mind! The references I have found all surround Merry and Pippin smoking in the flooded ruins when the party from Edoras arrives... and the company is reunited.
Then Gandalf and company ride forward and confront Saruman.
For the record, the movie script is:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Saruman: The Ring of Power has been found.
Gandalf: All these long years it was in the Shire, under my very nose.
Saruman: Yet you did not have the wit to see it. Your love of the halfling’s leaf has clearly slowed your mind.
Gandalf: But we still have time. Time enough to counter Sauron if we act quickly.
Saruman: Time?! What time do you think we have?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hmmm.... I never gave the line in the film much thought... it seemed like it was a plausible thing for him to have said in a conversation that we did not witness first-hand in the books, only heard about and imagined. I didn't find it in a brief search now, but I will be on the lookout for it.
One aspect that the movie line begins to illustrate to me is that Saruman's arrogance and airs of superiority over Gandalf is in reality good old fashioned jealousy. He not only looked into the Shire to see what Gandalf found so interesting about Hobbits, but began buying up their leaf, large quantities of it, and corrupting their business and subplanting himself as their government... His curiousity became obsession which became dominance.
To: 2Jedismom
Glad Matthew had a great time! What's his favorite restaurant? Good looking boys...
BTW, Thanks for the streamload hook-up...TTT trailer was awesome, and the FOTR extended sold my wife on waiting till Nov...I let my 6 y/o daughter and 4 y/o son watch the trailer...I think they're hooked...
To: HairOfTheDog
The line's not in the book. It's a stupid drug reference. I knew it the minute I first heard it and it annoyed me slightly because Tolkien himself said:
There is another astonishing thing about Hobbits of old that must be mentioned, an astonishing habit: they imbibed or inhaled, through pipes of clay or wood, the smoke of the burning leaves of a herb, which they called pipe-weed or leaf, a variety probably of Nicotiana.
Tolkien was a pipe-smoker and it's annoying that the movie tried to change the image, not because I'm all that apposed to pot smoking (I've said before, I don't mind potheads as much as I do drunks) but because they changed the spirit of the story when they did that.
It rarely happens in the movie that they offend me, so I just look over it as just an annoying little gnat in the great outdoors of the story.
It was also mentioned somewhere, don't ask me where...that Merry and Pippin get drunk with Treebeard. I don't believe that happened in the story and I believe Tolkien would not have written something so vulgar as drunkeness in to this beautiful story. Once again, I will probaby overlook it.
To: HairOfTheDog; Corin Stormhands
Hi guys, sorry I am not more quick in keeping tabs on the conversation. This will change somewhat when dear daughter goes back to school next week!
Yes, I caught that line too when the movie first came out, and it struck me as very odd that the writer chose to turn tobacco into something more 'illicit.' And again, it is not my wont to make a HUGE case of it, but it *does* highlight my point about people aside from the actors infusing the story with the idea that all of it was drug induced.
Never once in the story did I get the idea that that the 'halfling leaf' was anything more than a tobacco like substance that the general populace enjoyed on level with food and drink. That's all *I've* ever thought about tobacco, even with its nasty side-effects. Heck, I've been known to smoke a good cigar now and again, especially when I have had a very stressful day. It really does help to smooth out the wrinkles.
I guess technically one could say that tobacco and caffeine are drug items that alter the mind, and in my mind it would make sense that a being like the Istari, whose entire existence is bent on purity of thought, and that even tobacco is considered a corruption of that purity, would make sense for Saruman to say something like that to Gandalf. But I am afraid most of the young set would just conclude that the hobbits are high on weed ie marijuana. which really burns my butt, I guess. They turn their noses and freak out over someone smoking a cigarette or cigar, but think its uber cool to talk about someone getting jacked up on reefer.
Stupid people.
To: HairOfTheDog; All
Everybody notice that the market took off yesterday with the release of the FoTR DVD?
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posted on
08/07/2002 9:38:38 AM PDT
by
ksen
To: Alkhin; Overtaxed
Stupid hollyweirdos.
Stupid Democrats.
Stupid Elves.
Stupid pushers.
Stupid executives.
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posted on
08/07/2002 9:46:10 AM PDT
by
ksen
To: ksen
Yer gonna get flamed for one of those...
To: Alkhin
Heck, I've been known to smoke a good cigar now and again, especially when I have had a very stressful day. It really does help to smooth out the wrinkles.Don't do it too much or it'll give you wrinkles! LOL
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