Families of Boeing MAX 8 Victims to Appeal Judge's Dismissal of Criminal Charge

Clifford Law ^ | Nov 2025

[NorthMountain]

For several years, a big part of my job involved operating experimental electronic equipment in the back of various aircraft ... oddly enough, none of them were Boeing or McDonnel products ... one was a Douglas product.

In the course of installing and operating my equipment, I got to watch the various aircraft providers do their thing, including maintenance and inspections. I got to know the pilots pretty well through mission planning and execution.

Maintenance is of utmost importance; watching those guys meticulously care for ‘my’ and all the other aircraft in the hangar was a huge confidence booster. As regards flight safety, the owner/operator is much more important than the manufacturer. IMO.

[NorthMountain]

I never equated the UPS plane to the Boeing MAX crashes.

If you want to talk about the UPS crash, do it on the UPS thread.

The spokesman for American Airlines’ pilots union

Oh, No! The Pilot's union doesn't like blaming the pilot! How unsurprising! The mechanics union doesn't like blaming the mechanics. And the manufacturer doesn't like taking the blame for what the operators did or didn't do. Sadly, a jury of people who know little or nothing about aviation, along with a judge who knows little or nothing about aviation, are tasked with multi-billion dollar judgments about aviation. You want to roll your eyes at something? Roll your eyes at THAT.

At this point, I have trouble believing that you have actually read my comments. You threw insults at me, based on nothing more than that I had asked the other fellow what he used to fly. That's not rational behavior. Try to do better.

[CondoleezzaProtege]

A Boeing pilot told a co-worker he unknowingly misled safety regulators about a flight-control system according to the transcript of instant messages the company belatedly turned over to federal officials.

The pilot, Mark Forkner, told another Boeing employee about problems with the flight system, known as MCAS, during a session in a flight simulator.

“So I basically lied to the regulators (unknowingly),” Forkner wrote in a message from 2016.

MCAS was designed at least in part to prevent the MAX from stalling in some situations.

After the Federal Aviation Administration certified the plane, without a complete understanding of MCAS, the system was implicated in two crashes that killed 346 people.

Forkner had asked FAA about removing mention of MCAS from the pilot’s manual for the MAX. - CBS Dallas.

[xone]

MCAS was designed at least in part to prevent the MAX from stalling in some situations.

And it failed as systems do, that's why there are pilots. The total time for the crew in the Ethiopian crash was less than the minimum time to get an Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) rating in the US. Their likely qual was that they spoke passable English which is required worldwide in commercial aviation. I ask again, did this failure only happen in those 2 jets? If not, why weren't there more crashes?

[SandwicheGuy]

And it could be, you might consider, sometimes people have different skills sets, and when that happens quite often they misunderstand each other. For instance, you are not a pilot, I'm pretty sure, and you wouldn't know anything about piloting or training. That being the case, I kindly suggest, and with a good heart, that you keep your counsel to yourself. Or maybe you would get better results advising a surgeon how to remove an inflamed appendix. See how that works?

You do make valid points and you can argue those but the fact is that MCAS airplanes have been flying around the world with normal pilots with no problems. Hmmm?

[TexasGator]

“The only ones that say that are those who are unable to understand the technical facts.”

Apparently you don’t know the facts.

[Revel]

Your number one on the list of people here that don’t know your A** from a hole in the ground.

[TexasGator]

“Post number 9 is from a facts based person.”

Yes. Unqualified pilots. Unqualified airline.

Runaway stabilizer and didn’t reason to use the runaway stabilizer procedure.

From his link:

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On the Lion Air flight in October, pilots were apparently unaware of MCAS. As various warnings went off in the cockpit, they never reached the conclusion to use the runaway stabilizer procedure

[TexasGator]

“typical godless response.”

Straight to the point.

[TexasGator]

“Your number one on the list of people here that don’t know your A** from a hole in the ground.”

You need to get your life in order and quit wasting your time and emotion on blogs.

[kiryandil]

To: TexasGator
Do you have to be an ass every day?
84 posted on 9/26/2015, 6:24:20 PM by Jim Robinson

https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/3341298/posts?page=84#84