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Arresting people (for example, Papadopoulos) and placing them in jail as part of an elaborate plot to prevent Donald Trump from being democratically elected president involves the use of force.
It would be useless to put Obama on trial. The judge would be someone he or Biden appointed and all of the jurors would be Democrats who hate Trump. So few people in DC voted for Trump that it would be easy for the defense attorneys to keep anyone like that off the jury.
Yes. And the SWAT raid on Mar A Lago had the authorization to use lethal force. The authorization to use lethal force is on Merrick Garland and possibly even Joe Biden.
If the pardon included a public mea culpa I’d go for that.
Go full Scooter Libby all of them.
“...If a President commits a crime while in office, he almost certainly is NOT performing his official duties or constitutional “function of the Presidency”.
Then you agree, the answer is “yes”.
The point is that I disagree that operating outside the “function of the Presidency” extinguishes his immunity. If he’s committing a crime then he almost certainly is operating outside his function of the Presidency.
Your “point” is pointless.
Arguing for the sake of argument.
To test these theories, Bondi’s DOJ first needs to bring the complaint, or seat a grand jury, somewhere that has a judge who will agree Obama and others can be prosecuted. DC is not a likely forum in that regard.
Don’t you know that there is an ongoing discussion/debate as to whether the President is constitutionally immune from prosecution unless he was congressionally convicted?
That is the foundation of this corollary issue of some trying to find an exception because of acts outside his “Presential duties”.
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Really? Might wanna keep up with the current news.
Presidential Pardon from POTUS-
Joey Shiiites his Pants did it for many.
Would O accept a pardon?
Force is not necessarily violence or even physical, from a legal perspective. Threats or other forms of coercion are also “force”. Force can be exerted by action or words.
For example, being compelled to do something out of legal obligation, like a witness being forced to answer questions in court, or someone under the authority of the president being ordered to do something, can be considered a form of non-physical force. This would be the case if someone impersonated a police officer or if someone who holds legitimate authority gives an unlawful order.
The same is true of threats and other kinds of coercion. Federal laws like 42 U.S. Code § 3617 specifically prohibit coercion, intimidation, threats, or interference with individuals exercising or enjoying their rights.
Blackmail is another non-violent type of force. Forcing a victim to pay a ransom through threats or other coercive actions falls under this umbrella.
Threats as “force”: Federal statutes, such as those addressing assault on federal officers (18 U.S.C. § 111) and extortion (18 U.S.C. § 1951), have been interpreted by courts to include threats of force as a form of force itself.
The Supreme Court case Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire established the “fighting words” doctrine, holding that some words “by their very utterance, inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace” and are not protected by the First Amendment.
Bkmk
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