U.S. Republican Senator Lindsey Graham: "Weapons will flow to Ukraine at a RECORD LEVEL"

X ^ | July 14 | Sen. Graham

[Article10]

If you don’t think the news media was not spinning the news back in the 1900s just as much as they spend it today, i have a bridge in Brooklyn forsale.. . The narrative that it was corrupt back then was spun by the media so the 17th would pass.... who cares what happened in one state capital, hell its Illinois..lol. its always corrupted there... there’s 50 Capitols and I don’t think all 50 of them would ever be corrupted but we certainly have everything in Washington corrupted with fedzilla, the Deep State and all the other malfeasance that goes on there. The media sucked back then just as much as the media sucked today. I’d rather spread the corruption out across 50 state capitals then with a couple party players and a bunch of K Street whores with big bucks buying politicians via the parties and giving us the taxpayers funded politicians that make us choose between a communist and a turd. Removing the 17th Amendment will put us back to the constitution of Republic our founding fathers put in place. Your comment basically says the founding fathers were stupid... and Woodrow Wilson got it right with JP Morgan assisting... right.

[rxh4n1]

Ukraine making ridiculous demands means they’re not serious.

[nathanbedford]

Ukraine making ridiculous demands means they’re not serious.

One might rather think that sacrificing and dying by the hundreds of thousands is an indication of "seriousness".

Demanding that an invader leave one's country and leave it intact is a demand that by no rational definition is "ridiculous."

The art of negotiating, by all the evidence, escaped the attention of the author of The Art of the Deal. One does not initiate the negotiation process by conceding everything. One does not begin, unsolicited, the process of negotiation on behalf of another by selling out the one represented.

At the beginning of my participation in this thread I concluded by saying: "But the real measure of his task is to get people to now believe that it is more desirable for Ukraine to win than for them to lose."

It is astonishing how potent the the Kool-Aid is once drunk.

[nathanbedford]

Because the people who inhabited Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland experienced firsthand the cruel occupation by the Bear then operating under the name the Soviet Union.

[Captain Walker]

Because the people who inhabited Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland experienced firsthand the cruel occupation by the Bear then operating under the name the Soviet Union.

That's the answer!

Don't acknowledge any American aggression here. Russia always bad, because, because, well, 'Murica!

[nathanbedford]

American aggression?

I do not mean to be argumentative procedurally, but the proponent of an argument must have the burden of proof. Aggression means something more than moving chess pieces about the board, it must mean something like invading Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea, Ukraine to be meaningful.

What aggression toward Russia would you have America knowledge?

[JoeVortex]

"This half-baked strategy of just enough to deter Russia from taking over was stupid and will lose more lives.

Was it half-baked or just enough to deter Russia?

There is a counter argument:

The Eastward expansion of NATO has been going on for decades. The goal was always to dismantle first, the Soviet Union, and then after the collapse of the USSR, the Russian Federation.

The current war in Ukraine is just the latest round. The neocons in the US/EU/NATO gave everything they thought was necessary to ensure success. The objective was regime change in Russia and the installation of a puppet government under their control.

So far it hasn't succeeded, and the West's Military Industrial Complex is running out of resources.

[Captain Walker]

What aggression toward Russia would you have America knowledge?

Fortuitously, JoeVortex has a post directly under yours that explains it quite well.

[nathanbedford]

Joe Vortex of no credentials and no reputation delivers himself of an astonishing number of unsupported pronouncements.

Even if taken at face value, these assertions of his have nothing to do with "aggression" against Russia. And even if they do constitute "aggression," they do not demonstrate that NATO in Ukraine advances that "aggression." Even if "aggression" is postulated that somehow relates to NATO in Ukraine, there is no justification for Russia to invade.

Reality remains as it was, Russia is a serial aggressor nation that has committed war crimes and continues to do so.

[Captain Walker]

Reality remains as it was, Russia is a serial aggressor nation that has committed war crimes and continues to do so.

Russians would no doubt point to the US and agree that our policy in the Middle East has been a 30-year-long war crime.

Try as it might, the American Propagandaministerium can't shrug off Russian concerns about our push eastward into Russia's backyard.

[nathanbedford]

IA:

Russia has been widely condemned for committing war crimes in Ukraine, both by international organizations and national governments, but the country as a whole has not been declared a “war criminal” in the strict legal sense. Multiple investigative bodies, international courts, and national authorities have established substantial evidence pointing to numerous war crimes and crimes against humanity committed by Russian forces and officials during the invasion.

Key points:

The United Nations Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Ukraine and other UN bodies have concluded that war crimes have been committed by Russian forces in Ukraine, including deliberate attacks on civilians and civilian infrastructure, and other grave violations of the Geneva Conventions.

The International Criminal Court (ICC) has issued arrest warrants for top Russian officials, including President Vladimir Putin, for the war crime of illegal deportation of children from Ukraine to Russia and for further alleged war crimes such as attacks on civilian objects and causing excessive harm to civilians.

Besides Putin, the ICC also issued arrest warrants for high-ranking Russian military officers—Sergei Shoigu, Valery Gerasimov, Sergei Kobylash, and Viktor Sokolov—in connection with war crimes and crimes against humanity in Ukraine.

Ukrainian courts have convicted individual Russian soldiers for war crimes committed in Ukraine, and thousands of suspected war crimes are under ongoing investigation or prosecution by Ukrainian authorities.

“The UN Commission of Inquiry on Ukraine has concluded that war crimes have been committed in Ukraine.”

“On 17 March 2023, the ICC issued arrest warrants against Vladimir Putin and Maria Alekseyevna Lvova-Belova over allegations of involvement in the war crime of child abductions during the invasion of Ukraine.”

“As of March 2023, at least 26 war crimes suspects had been convicted by Ukrainian courts.”