Posted on 07/09/2025 4:16:16 AM PDT by MtnClimber
It has been a number of years since reviewing the official conclusions, but if I remember correctly, the flight was delayed for I want to say at least an hour on a hot summer day with the air condition packs running. Those packs are directly below the center tank and were the source of the heating.
As for the level sensors, what I remember is that for some reason, Boeing mixed high and low voltage wiring inside cable bundles. The theory is that chafing of the insulation led to stray high voltage into the level sensing circuit.
My father worked on 747’s at JFK for 25 years (from mechanic all the way to Aircraft Maintenance Manager for a Euro airline) and had retired just before flight 800 exploded. I was home on Long Island briefly that year, and he told me about the center fuel tank explosion theory, and at the time it was believed to be caused by static electricity. Neither one of us believed it. And he was a 747 expert. I was in the navy at the time and knew it wasn’t a navy missile. We both figured it was a bomb.
I went on deployment a few months later and never talked about TWA 800 again with all this new information before he died, so I have no idea what he thought of the official report. I know I was skeptical for years but ultimately concluded that it was most likely an explosion from an electrical arc.
By the way, electrical arcs have little to do with the current in a circuit. It’s the voltage. Raise voltage high enough, and it will find a ground through air and even insulation like a bolt of lightning. The current of the arc will be the quotient of the voltage of the circuit and the resistance of the ionized air. (I = V/R) Electrical arcs can exceed 10,000 degrees F.
That is just too perfect. Well done!
That all reads well reasoned and accurate, except for the missle, seen going up to the flight,then exploded, seen by hundreds, and shown the first night on cnn before disappearing, then the section dredged out of the ocean, with the hole punched through it, wired and cables hanging off it the part just under the wing, about 7 X 10, suspended on the dredging cables attached to it by divers.now missing from the reconstructed bird. The tape is no longer available either. I saw it, with my own two eyes, on live coverage, on my big tv screen, with my next door neighber, both watching. So, say what you will, but the pics did not lie.
What kind of missile and who launched it?
cylindrical, 6-8 inches diameter by the size of the hole in the section of fuselage, rocket exhaust when going up to the plane. Have no idea who touched it off, or why, probably would be dead if I did.
I was here too. I remember something like 700 eyewitnesses, and other pilots who were former military pilots describing an ordinance explosion.
I’m pretty sure there are no missiles that punch a hole into their target like an artillery shell. They typically use proximity fuses. Look at the damage to Malaysian flight 17 that was shot down over Ukraine. It’s peppered with small fragment holes. Have you seen anything like that on TWA flight 800?
As for the missing section you mention, I have not heard anything about this. I’m pretty sure the sections from that area of the aircraft were the first pieces to break off and were in the “red zone” from the recovery area. That’s what led the NTSB to figure out that the explosion originated in or around the center fuel tank. (The yellow zone contained the front 1/3 of the fuselage which broke off afterwards, and the green zone contained the remainder of the aircraft which continued to fly a bit longer.)
Back to the missile theory. There is a poster on this thread that explained the rocket motors do not burn all the way up to the target, but for about three seconds, and after that, it would be impossible for a human eye to see the missile from ten miles away. Missiles with longer burns would have to have been fired by a large ship. With that in mind, who do you think fired the supposed missile? (The top two guesses on this thread are the Iranians and the US Navy.)
The FBI looked at the USS Normandy and there were no missing missiles, and it was out of range anyway. There has been no evidence of an Iranian warship in the area, and the MANPAD type weapon fired from a boat theory has been pretty much debunked due to range issues (and would also not fit with these eyewitnesses seeing a rocket motor firing all the way to impact). What is your missile theory?
There is no evidence because there is no conspiracy to spray chemicals in chemtrails. There are just contrails.
The federal explanation is made of whole cloth. You believe it. That is on you.
The goverment will not say, "yeah, we made that shit up because it made us look really,.really bad during an election."
Nevertheless, it was a missle, witnessed by hundreds, in real time.
Okay if you are so sure of it, then again, what type of missile and who launched it? Do you have any actual evidence or facts? And why do you believe there is a cover up?
The other political factor was that the Centennial Olympic Park bombing occurred on July 27, just 10 days after the downing of TWA 800. I believe that was why the Clinton administration:
-PJ
BTW, the definitive website for all the gathered data is twa800.com.
-PJ
Looks like Michael Rivero was on to something.
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Close.
As an engineer on classified programs I can tell you for certain that no one who is not on the list would know what was being tested that day.
This was a totally new type of weapon system it was not something that enlisted crew would be briefed on.
Yes, even captains don’t have a need to know everything.
Yes, people keep their mouths shut. There were programs in my building that I walked past daily that I had no clue about.
There are other reasons that lead me to believe that the test was performed that day in that location. I will not disclose more than necessary.
I know what missile and worked for the company that developed it.
I was briefed before it went black.
There is an incredible amount that you will not find on the internet which is how it has to be.
The enemy cannot buy secrets that few know exist.
Okay, I have a family member who is an engineer at a large defense firm, and he worked on classified projects (including a missile program), and yes, he is tight lipped. He never said anything about the projects that you couldn’t find on the company website (such as its existence and general purpose).
That is one thing. But keeping a bunch of submarine sailors silent after they accidentally shot down an airliner? No way, even if they were testing a classified weapons system. Absolutely no way.
And no CO is going to launch weapons from his ship without thorough knowledge of what it is. It’s his ship. Not even the president can make him do something with his ship if he refuses. (He of course would be relieved on the spot.) The CO gets relieved if his ship runs aground when he’s sleeping. He is responsible for everything the ship does and is legally responsible. So I repeat, no one can force a CO to do anything with his ship.
Also, who do you think will be handling and launching the weapons onboard a navy ship? It’s the enlisted crewmembers. They have to be thoroughly trained for every single job on the boat. We have something called qualifications. We are not allowed to operate any system without being qualified unless standing an under instruction watch with a qualified crewmember.
I went to nearly two years of training to learn to operate the nuclear propulsion system (classified as “confidential/NOFORN”) and held a secret clearance. There were enlisted crewmembers with top secret clearance too, not just the officers.
But I will repeat myself here, no one onboard a submarine will operate a system without being thoroughly trained and then proven through the qualification process. (studying manufacturer’s tech manuals, “check out” spot checks with signitures, written tests, and then interviews or sometimes full-on boards). Training and qualification records are legal documents. I still have my records showing all of my training and what I was qualified to do. The US Navy trusts its enlisted crew. Hell, they even make some of them chiefs, which all the admirals say “are the backbone of the navy” because they are the system experts.
If they will teach me everything possible about nuclear propulsion systems on attack submarines (including the brand new at the time S6W Seawolf reactor despite me unlikely to ever set foot aboard one), I think they would trust the torpedomen and fire control technicians to learn about special capsule that housed converted sidewinders or AMRAAMs or some Euro air to air missile. My boat could launch tomahawks and harpoons from the torpedo tubes, so those capsules aren’t a big secret. So what could possibly be on a missile that is more secret than the nuclear propulsion system or the nuclear tipped tomahawks the torpedomen were trained and qualified to launch? (I can neither confirm nor deny the presence of nuclear weapons aboard my vessel.)
So I don’t buy your theory. Plus there is no evidence that a missile actually struck TWA 800 other than a handful of eyewitnesses 10+ miles away claiming to see a streak of light go up to the airliner, and the FBI press conference stating they detected explosives residue on some seats. But no actual missile parts were found or missile damage to the plane discovered.
Well, that's good to know that you are culpable in the deaths of 230 innocent civilians but can still keep a secret. I mean, why bother going to the FBI or congress? Not like it will bring back the dead, right?
What would have gone out the tube was a canister. No training or qualification necessary.
As for the crew not talking afterwards, I don’t know.
However, from personal experience I can tell you about something similar.
Shuttle Challenger was NOT brought down by a O ring. Long story, but extra bolts were drilled through the SRB and no structural analysis. Ripped open like perforated paper.
The NASA engineers and contractors kept their mouths shut even without classification.
To this day the world still thinks it was an O ring.
Ref no evidence of missiles, sorry but NTSB members came forward after retirement to make public statements that FBI personnel were in the hanger bending the sheet metal outward to support the fuel tank story.
Those guys said the evidence in the wreckage was that a missile exploded outside the fuselage. This was published years ago.
I learned during my life to never trust the media or governments regardless of party.
Your insult is silly.
Going to the media or government is useless.
No, I did not make the decision to test the new system that day so not culpable.
A program manager made that decision
Black programs don’t ask permission
That makes no sense. The FBI was the agency pushing the terrorism theory, not the NTSB. They even had a press conference that angered the NTSB investigators as they had not found any evidence of terrorism. They were working the CFT theory by putting temperature sensors in another 747 and running the air conditioning packs to see if the fuel would be heated above its flashpoint (exceeded by nearly 30 degrees). Then they built a scaled down version of the CFT to see if igniting the fuel would exceed the 25psig rating of the tank (it was double). Then the FBI has the press conference about the explosive residue... then they go back in and are found bending metal parts to disprove themselves? Makes no sense.
On a different note, coincidentally, I did a brief stint on the submarine that recovered parts from the Challenger, although that was before my time. Never heard any theory like yours, just the o-ring one. Either way is a major screw up. Why all these cover ups?
Is 9/11 also a cover up? Moon landing? Flying saucers in Area 51?
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