Posted on 07/09/2025 4:16:16 AM PDT by MtnClimber
Remember the demonstration video I linked to you.
Well firstly, I can't watch youtube videos on my other computer. I can on this one. He is using Kerosene, and he was over 140, and he still could barely get it to light.
And it wasn't an explosion. It just barely lit with an open flame directly placed in the liquid.
And you think a little sensor in or above the fuel, at a temperature much less than 140 would ignite and explode?
Openurmind wrote: “No, but I do understand government in general. Everything they do is based on corruption and/or incompetence. Everything...”
So, you believe the government is so incompetent it could shoot down TWA800 but the same government is competent enough to cover it up?
Yeah, those sending units explode all the time. Every day I hear of a few million cars blowing up because the sending units ignited that much dangerous gasoline.
Because that is exactly the explanation they gave back in the day. Maybe not the final, but they pushed and pushed the static electricity one.
So you do believe it climbed after the explosion?
“Well firstly, I can’t watch youtube videos on my other computer. I can on this one. He is using Kerosene, and he was over 140, and he still could barely get it to light.”
#1 jet is basically kerosene.
It lit at 140. So the point of interest is somewhere between 120 to 140. Official data says the flash point is 100.
And at altitude, it is more volatile.
You should watch Texas Gator's video. The guy heated the fuel above 120 degrees and couldn't get it to light with an open flame. He had to get it to 140 degrees before it would get hot enough to light, and then it would just barely light with an open flame.
The video I linked earlier shows a guy trying to light jet fuel with a blow torch. He couldn't do it.
Out of curiosity, what is the significance of the 600 degrees that you state?
Someone pointed out that Kerosene would run in a lawnmower engine. Figuring an 8 to 1 compression, I presumed the temperature in the combustion chamber was around 600 degrees. I thought you may have seen my comment earlier, and so this is why I asked you if you thought the temperature in that tank could have reached 600 degrees.
According to specs someone else posted, the spontaneous ignition temperature of Jet Fuel is 410 degrees.
I don't think anything would ever get that hot inside that fuel tank.
Exactly right on all three points.
Anyone know if the fuel tanks were vented? I would think if the fuel was hot and vapors were rising it would push oxygen out. I have no idea, but seems logical. I know on hot days my lawnmower gas container gets bloated.
You are a kindred spirit.
Nose up, 4 engines full TO power then remove 1/4 of gross weight from up forward (nose being blown off/removed)...yeah I would say the rest of the fuselage climbed for a bit until it lost stability, tumbled and broke up.
More info. (summary):
https://www.ntsb.gov/news/events/documents/moriches_ny-TWA_800_Overview.pdf
Details:
https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/AAR0003.pdf
https://data.ntsb.gov/Docket/?NTSBNumber=DCA96MA070
With an actual open flame. Would it light with a spark?
I guarantee it would not light from a spark within the liquid. It would not light from a spark far above the liquid, because it didn't light from the direct flame until he got it right at the liquid.
So *IF* it could even light with a spark, it would have to have a spark in very close proximity to the fuel, which is unlikely, *AND* it would have to be above 140 degrees.
Which is also unlikely.
And at altitude, it is more volatile.
A "fact" not in evidence. At altitude, it has even less air to combust with, if the tanks are un-pressurized. If they are pressurized, than altitude makes no difference at all.
I read it several years ago, and I don't recall anything in it that would explain how the fuel in the tank would be turned into a spray. They try to claim the sensor was an ignition source, but that is just bullshit.
The image of a fire is totally irrelevant to the fact you can't ignite jet fuel with an open flame at normal temperatures.
And clearly according to your own video, you can't light it until you have raised it's temperature to above 140 degrees, and then you can barely light it with an actual open flame. (which is not the same thing as a spark.)
Yes, I should have said "Un-Flammable." It appears to be damn hard to get it to burn when it is in liquid form.
You might find this interesting. Guy tries to light jet fuel on fire with a blowtorch.
No they weren't. That is wishful thinking on the part of people who want to swallow all that coverup slop.
And the plane was over two miles high increasing the atomization.
A lower pressure might induce a higher level of diffusion into the air, but it also lowers the quantity of Oxygen available to combust the fuel.
Making ignition even less likely.
“Well firstly, I can’t watch youtube videos on my other computer. I can on this one. He is using Kerosene, and he was over 140, and he still could barely get it to light.”
#1 jet is basically kerosene.
It lit at 140. So the point of interest is somewhere between 120 to 140. Official data says the flash point is 100.
And at altitude, it is more volatile.
“No they weren’t. That is wishful thinking on the part of people who want to swallow all that coverup slop.”
LOL! The did a test flight with sensors to come up with those temperatures.
You are just wishful thinking because you have to deny the facts.
“And you think a little sensor in or above the fuel, at a temperature much less than 140 would ignite and explode?”
In the video, the liquid is at temperature but the vapor is much cooler. Pure physics.
In the plane, the vapor is above the 100 degree flash point as the whole tank as measured is above 100..
“Making ignition even less likely.”
The calcs are in the report. Ping me when you find an error.
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