Grandson of 10th US President John Tyler, who left the White House 180 years ago, dead at 96

NY Post ^ | 05/28/2025 | Anthony Blair

[mware]

I do recall my grandmother born in 1888 opined that she would have voted for Teddy Roosevelt but women didn't have the right to vote yet.

As to the Tyler who fought at Gettysburg, he died at the age of 54 so it wasn't from his line of the family. He did however carry the Colors for his unit during the battle.

[Verginius Rufus]

From 1714 to 1837 the King of England and the Elector of Hanover were the same man. King George I didn’t even speak English. That continued until Queen Victoria succeeded to the British throne but not to the German possessions. I think Brunswick (Braunschweig) may have belonged to the Elector of Hanover, which is why there is a New Brunswick in New Jersey and a Canadian province named New Brunswick.

[Verginius Rufus]

I think Tyler is the first President to get married while in the White House. Later examples are Grover Cleveland (a bachelor) and Woodrow Wilson (a widower).

[Verginius Rufus]

When Teddy ran in 1904 she would have been too young to vote, so she must have been talking about 1912.

I had a great-aunt born in 1889 who wasn't able to vote until 1920. She commented to me about it once as if she still resented not being able to vote at 21 like her brothers could.

[ckilmer]

Yeah, it is a little strange that the English have not had an English king or queen since Cromwell.

[Verginius Rufus]

Of course Cromwell never had the title of king.

I would say that the last genuinely English king was Harold Godwinson, killed at the battle of Hastings in 1066. All the later reigning monarchs were descended from William the Bastard, Duke of Normandy (well, except for William himself).

[ckilmer]

I would say that the last genuinely English king was Harold Godwinson.
/////
So James or Charles was the last of the norman descended kings. So that gives their run about 500-600 years?

Great but how long had the saxons been in England. 500-600 years? Could be the brits of course were thinking that the Germans they imported to run their throne were the original stock before the Normans.

And before the saxons (plus angles jutes friessens) there were the celts—who it turns out were originally from southern Germany—just north of the alps. they had a longer run. Maybe 2000 years.

Modern genetics is showing that the mixed hunter gatherer farmer people who built stonehenge were all killed about 200 years after the main structure of stonehenge was built. Let me amend that. All the men were killed and supplanted by men from (I think the bell beaker people)

To be sure, I asked AI about this. Here was the answer.

Conclusion
The claim that “the males of the population that built Stonehenge were all replaced” is partially accurate but oversimplified. Genetic evidence shows that Neolithic male lineages (Y-chromosome haplogroup I2) were almost entirely replaced by Beaker-related lineages (R1b-M269) in southern Britain by ~2000 BCE, during or shortly after Stonehenge’s construction. However, this does not mean every Neolithic male was killed; rather, their reproductive success was drastically reduced, likely due to a combination of interbreeding, cultural displacement, and possible violence. The process was gradual, occurring over centuries, and some Neolithic ancestry persisted through female lines.

[Verginius Rufus]

William and Mary (who were first cousins) and Queen Anne were descended from James I, who was descended from Henry VII. The House of Hanover is also descended from James I.

Celtic and the Germanic dialects like Anglo-Saxon and Frisian are all Indo-European so at least some of their ancestors came from the Proto-Indo-European homeland probably north of the Black Sea, but no doubt assimilated earlier populations in Western Europe and the British Isles.

I have paid some attention to the I haplogroup since that's my Y-DNA haplogroup. It appears to be in southeastern Europe before the last glacial maximum. During the height of the Ice Age, only the southern parts of Europe (Iberian peninsula, Italy, Balkan peninsula, southern Ukraine) were inhabited. The I2 haplogroup is still common in the Balkans. It appears that some of them went north to Scandinavia after the ice age, and some of those people eventually went to the British Isles (a lot of Norse settled in Scotland and Ireland, and Danes in England), but if the builders of Stonehenge were I2 they would have gotten to Britain much earlier.