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Lights out at airport where doomed jet was supposed to land before crash that killed famous drummer, music agent
NY Post ^ | May 23, 2025

Posted on 05/23/2025 5:59:52 PM PDT by BenLurkin

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To: BenLurkin

The Captain Steve you tube guy had some things to say. It appears that they flying below the minimums when they crashed. The approach itself was illegal for that plane. It appears that pilots did not know about the lights being out because they clicked the radio to turn the lights up full right before they crashed. It was very foggy. Visibility was really bad.


21 posted on 05/23/2025 8:13:49 PM PDT by Revel
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To: BenLurkin
“Doesn’t sound great but we’ll give it a go”
The 'go' didn't work out.

Based on the acknowledged conditions and info as we know it, this is 100% on the dead pilot.

22 posted on 05/23/2025 8:19:37 PM PDT by citizen (A transgender male competing against women may be male, but he's no man.)
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To: 11th_VA

Final Countdown

50 years ago


23 posted on 05/23/2025 8:30:53 PM PDT by Varsity Flight ( "War by 🙏 thoe prophesies set before you." I Timothy 1:18. Nazarite warriors. 10.5.6.5 These Days)
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To: blackdog
Seems more like he didn’t reset his altimeter for local barometric pressure. At and above 18,000 feet, altimeter are universally set to 29.92. Then when decending for the approach to land, the altimeter is set to the actual local pressure. High to low, look out below.

You are correct but I wonder how much time and approaches this pilot had in real IFR conditions though he was rated for IFR?

I have flown into Montgomery on an IFR flight plan though it was VFR. IFR is safer as you have positive control from the ground. I would have never attempted to fly into Montgomery at night with the runway lights out. I suspect the pilot did not check the NOTAMS, "notice to airmen." Without doubt he busted minimums and did not execute a go around when he hit minimums. I suspect he was thinking," just 50 more feet and I will see the approach lights. He would have been on the ILS (instrument landing system) and sure of where he was but he was not. The pertinent question is why he did not know?

24 posted on 05/23/2025 8:52:41 PM PDT by cpdiii (cane cutter, deckhand, oilfield roughneck, drilling fluid tech, geologist, pilot, pharmacist ,MAGA)
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To: VTenigma

“Lots of holes in the “Swiss cheese” he flew through. “

My boss used to call those “sucker holes” “They suck you in and then they sucker in on you.”


25 posted on 05/23/2025 8:53:20 PM PDT by Clay Moore (My pistol identifies as a cordless hole punch. )
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I forgot to add this. It is possible that he did not reset his altimeter to the local setting but extremely unlikely. ATC would have given him the local setting. It is just automatic for the pilot to reset his altimeter for such. I would think he did and perhaps set it wrong and thought he was higher on the approach than he actually was. What is not explained is why he went below the ILS glide slope which gives him definite safe altitude?


26 posted on 05/23/2025 9:07:16 PM PDT by cpdiii (cane cutter, deckhand, oilfield roughneck, drilling fluid tech, geologist, pilot, pharmacist ,MAGA)
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To: BenLurkin
The runway lights were out, a weather alert system wasn’t working and there was heavy fog

and the pilot was wearing sunglasses... at night.
27 posted on 05/23/2025 10:31:18 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: BenLurkin

There are old pilots and there are bold pilots. There are no old, bold pilots.


28 posted on 05/24/2025 5:31:05 AM PDT by kvanbrunt2
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To: SpaceBar

Hit it.


29 posted on 05/24/2025 6:40:42 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: BenLurkin

““Doesn’t sound great but we’ll give it a go,”

Oh my”

He won’t be doing THAT again!

I used to think... “the pilot and co-pilot don’t want to die either. So I’M SAFE”. Actually, not so much.


30 posted on 05/24/2025 8:09:58 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts )
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To: Clay Moore

When I was flying a “sucker hole” referred to a small hole in an overcast sky that VFR pilots would fly into and get trapped in IMC.


31 posted on 05/24/2025 9:35:07 AM PDT by VTenigma (Conspiracy theory is the new "spoiler alert")
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To: BenLurkin

Pilot was stupid. If something isn’t appearing right, it probably isn’t. He was less than 11 miles from San Diego International and should have been monitoring 121.5 and he’d have know what the problem levied and made the decision to go to the big airport or at least checked with them. The problem wasn’t that he couldn’t land the aircraft. He just didn’t have the tools on the ground where he wanted to go and tried it anyway. The list of things he did wrong is long. But mixed into this site is the radio transmissions to and from his aircraft. Pilot was a moron.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sJcOPwDclA

But don’t be surprised if they blame this on Trump anyway.

wy69


32 posted on 05/24/2025 10:36:35 AM PDT by whitney69
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To: BenLurkin

The DailyMail has had multiple “famous drummer” (who? and from a band I’ve never heard of) headlines, and now this one as well. Weird.


33 posted on 05/24/2025 2:19:38 PM PDT by Moltke (Reasoning with a liberal is like watering a rock in the hope to grow a building.)
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