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The Kennedy Assassination And The Persistence Of Conspiracy Theories -- Part III
Manhattan Contrarian ^ | 26 Mar, 2025 | Francis Menton

Posted on 03/27/2025 4:30:35 AM PDT by MtnClimber

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To: Fiji Hill

I am with you.


21 posted on 03/27/2025 6:35:11 AM PDT by mfish13 (Elections have Consequences.)
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To: redfreedom
The Warren Commission report states that not only did Oswald shoot Kennedy with a Mannlicher-Carcano rifle but that he shot Officer Tippitt with a pistol. I would assume that the negative test for gunpowder residue was explained away in that report somehow.
22 posted on 03/27/2025 6:38:32 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: Jan_Sobieski
It was the mob. Jimmy Ola told me.


23 posted on 03/27/2025 6:50:12 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (Donate! Don't just post clickbait!)
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To: MtnClimber

“Six Seconds in Dallas”, exposes the complete hoax of the lone gunman. Kill shoot came from behind the fence of the grassy knoll. The head jerk indicates as much in the Z film.


24 posted on 03/27/2025 6:51:53 AM PDT by stockpirate (A group of baboons is referred to as a "Congress" of baboons.)
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To: stockpirate

The head jerk indicates as much in the Z film.
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Let’s talk about the hole in the driver’s windshield now


25 posted on 03/27/2025 7:02:17 AM PDT by South Dakota (Vance / Trump...2028 )
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To: MtnClimber

1. The physical evidence contradicts and rules out the official narrative, that Oswald shot Kennedy with one bullet from high and to the right of Kennedy. There were at least three shots which came from in front of, and behind, Kennedy.

2. The fact that officials were placed in a position to lie to us about the assassination says that the people who gained power afterward were conspirators in the assassination.


26 posted on 03/27/2025 7:08:27 AM PDT by nagant
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To: MtnClimber

What potential group of conspirators in this circumstance would have had both something that makes sense as the motive for the crime, plus the ability to put together this plot and carry it out?

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hmmm

lets see if history has any clues...

Julius Caesar , stabbed to death by political opponants...?

conspiracy FACT

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27 posted on 03/27/2025 7:13:43 AM PDT by cuz1961
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To: MtnClimber

Considered.
Thanks!


28 posted on 03/27/2025 7:38:49 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (ALL Things Will be Revealed !)
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To: cuz1961

Here is a modern clue:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/regarding-new-jfk-disclosures-state-department-refuses-acknowledge-israels-nukes

More than sixty years later and the coverup continues...


29 posted on 03/27/2025 7:43:40 AM PDT by cgbg (It was not us. It was them--all along.)
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To: mfish13

Right, cycling the bolt almost always means taking your eye out of the scope to do it. Yes, a bolt can be recycled in 2.3 seconds. But to reacquire the target, a moving target, all in that same time frame, impossible.

Oswald’s position was one of height. That does not necessarily make it a sniper’s perch. Anyone wanting to shoot above and away from the crowd would have selected it.


30 posted on 03/27/2025 9:08:52 AM PDT by redfreedom (Happiness is shopping at Walmart and not hearing Spanish once!)
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To: mfish13

I agree an open sights shot at 68 yards (88 actually) is easy to do. I can do it myself at a hundred yards, even at my age.

I do not like scopes because it takes too long to acquire a target that requires a quick shot. They are great for big game hunters killing that grazing elk 300 yards away. Snipers like them for distance shots, as they also have a spotter.

Here we are talking a guy with a scope on a moving target. To cycle, reacquire on a moving target and get a perfect shot in, no, I’ll never believe it.


31 posted on 03/27/2025 9:13:43 AM PDT by redfreedom (Happiness is shopping at Walmart and not hearing Spanish once!)
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To: marktwain

‘The Carcano’ has many Mysteries to it.
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I’m curious about your opinion on the
Zapruder head shot the final shot
‘Back and to JFKs’ Left’ ?


32 posted on 03/27/2025 10:12:46 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (ALL Things Will be Revealed !)
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To: cgbg

Israeli nukes... interesting.


33 posted on 03/27/2025 10:21:19 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (ALL Things Will be Revealed !)
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To: redfreedom

Right, cycling the bolt almost always means taking your eye out of the scope to do it. Yes, a bolt can be recycled in 2.3 seconds. But to reacquire the target, a moving target, all in that same time frame, impossible.


If you are using good technique, you do not move the rifle but from your shoulder when cycling the bolt. The is easier to do if you are holding the rifle on a solid rest, such as Oswald had access to. Lots of people have shown acquiring and shooting at targets with a low powered scope, such as was mounted on the Carcano, is not hard to do, and can be faster than using iron sights.

Here is a video of a bolt action shooter hitting targets at 200 yards, 39 shots in one minute, including reloading. This is a superb shooter, but he is doing it much faster than Oswald was supposed to have done it.

https://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2019/06/norway-mad-minute-shockingly-fast-bolt-action-rifle-shooting/


34 posted on 03/27/2025 10:34:38 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Big Red Badger

If you are not familiar with this old Washington Post article it is worth a read:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1987/12/05/the-secret-ceremony/d8d30dab-fe95-4ba0-b52f-c50a04795b77/

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1987/12/05/the-secret-ceremony/d8d30dab-fe95-4ba0-b52f-c50a04795b77/

Excerpts:

“By Glenn FrankelDecember 5, 1987
JERUSALEM — The most powerful members of the Israeli intelligence establishment past and present came together in clandestine conclave on a barren hillside last week — to plant a tree.

The head of the pathologically secretive spy agency, the Mossad, was there, as was his counterpart with Shin Bet, the Israeli internal security service. Five former heads of those agencies and three former military intelligence chiefs were also present. Their mission: to pay final tribute to a beloved member of their covert fraternity — the late CIA chief of counterintelligence, James Jesus Angleton.”....

they dedicated a memorial stone that read, in English, Hebrew and Arabic: “In memory of a dear friend, James (Jim) Angleton” but that gave no indication of who Angleton was or what he did....

Angleton played a crucial role in the early years of the young Jewish state. In the 1950s and early 1960s, when most of official Washington was wary of — even hostile to — Israel, he helped forge links between the Mossad and the CIA that established the basis for cooperation in intelligence gathering that still exists today....”


35 posted on 03/27/2025 10:37:36 AM PDT by cgbg (It was not us. It was them--all along.)
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To: marktwain

For some reason the video link did not show up, but I reviewed the material. It appears they are shooting at a 15.75 inch stationary target at 200 yards. These are people that have plenty of range time to practice their skills to become perfectionists in competition.

You cannot compare that to Oswald, a minimally experienced shooter, shooting at a volley ball size target at 88 yards that is in motion.

When someone shows me a person that scored marksman in the military, that seldom gets range time, whose scope is known not to be zeroed, using a rifle and scope identical to Oswald’s, shooting from the same elevation Oswald did, at a volley ball size target, moving at the same speed JFK’s vehicle was, in the same direction, at the same range, and get two perfect shots in 2.3 seconds, I will then believe Oswald could have done it all by himself. That’s comparing apples to apples.

Anything else is like trying to call an apple an orange or a grape or whatever else is not identical.


36 posted on 03/27/2025 3:17:29 PM PDT by redfreedom (Happiness is shopping at Walmart and not hearing Spanish once!)
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To: redfreedom

When someone shows me a person that scored marksman in the military, that seldom gets range time, whose scope is known not to be zeroed, using a rifle and scope identical to Oswald’s, shooting from the same elevation Oswald did, at a volley ball size target, moving at the same speed JFK’s vehicle was, in the same direction, at the same range, and get two perfect shots in 2.3 seconds, I will then believe Oswald could have done it all by himself. That’s comparing apples to apples.


There was testimony that Oswald constantly practiced working the action on the Carcano.

There have been other re-creations of the shots with a moving target, at the same range. Several other people were able to re-create hitting the target twice in the allotted time.

Why would you assume the scope was not zeroed?

I can see why you are skeptical. However, the shooting has been shown to be possible with the rifle and scope used.


37 posted on 03/27/2025 3:55:57 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: redfreedom; marktwain

Good Points All!
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I’ve wondered why not the rifle that he had ‘some’ practice on???
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I think Oliver Stone added Ammo for the Carcano was Very difficult to find back then ...so difficult that ‘Spooks’ had to supply it !?!
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Back then Oswald could have bought anything by walking into a shop
Paying Cash anonymously.
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Like I’ve said there is So much wrong with the supposed evidence that there is Very little to make an informed decision.
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Lone Nutters ain’t really being diligent.


38 posted on 03/27/2025 4:10:48 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (ALL Things Will be Revealed !)
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To: redfreedom

The target is barely moving. The limo goes downhill, a little to the left, so it is just a straight on shot at a target moving away from you, but easy to get in the target in the scope.


39 posted on 03/27/2025 6:03:21 PM PDT by mfish13 (Elections have Consequences.)
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To: redfreedom

Not impossible as Oswald had a good perch to shoot from, from a target that was basically not moving.


40 posted on 03/27/2025 6:04:28 PM PDT by mfish13 (Elections have Consequences.)
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