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Elon Musk to far-right German political party: ‘There is too much focus on past guilt’
The Forward ^ | January 26, 2025 | By Philissa Cramer

Posted on 01/27/2025 8:56:14 AM PST by Miami Rebel

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To: ohioman

Hi there, fanboy!

I truly don’t care what you label AfD: communist, socialist, far-right, far-left, or antidisestablishmentarian. The fact is that it parrots Jew-hating themes of Naziism, and the fact that Musk promotes it is disgusting.

Happy now?


41 posted on 01/27/2025 10:48:57 AM PST by Miami Rebel (pro-)
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To: Degaston

See above.

Educating young Germans of the ugly part of their nation’s past is not shaming, humiliation or casting guilt. I think it’s fair to say that most of these kids relate more to the victims of Naziism than to the perpetrators.

“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” George Santayana


42 posted on 01/27/2025 10:54:09 AM PST by Miami Rebel (pro-)
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To: Miami Rebel
I say you can look at many speech videos and locate a point at which the speaker gestures this way, not intending anything nefarious. salute1
43 posted on 01/27/2025 11:09:10 AM PST by SimpleJack
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To: SimpleJack

I’d love for you to share them. All I’ve been seeing are clips where it is evident that the subject is waving, not saluting.

But even stipulating that Musk made the gesture innocently, the fact that he saw fit to playfully use Nazi references in an attempt at a humorous rebuttal reinforces his reputation as a profoundly unserious and antisocial man. But that might just be his autism talking.


44 posted on 01/27/2025 11:24:21 AM PST by Miami Rebel (pro-)
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To: Miami Rebel

Barack Obama spent 20 years taking in Jeremiah Wright’s church of hate. Anti-Semitic rants were a regular part of his Sunday morning drill. Louis Farrakhan got a “lifetime achievement” award from this same Church.

And yet Obama was wildly popular in Germany.


45 posted on 01/27/2025 11:44:53 AM PST by LuxAerterna
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To: LuxAerterna

Why the impulse to grasp at whataboutism?


46 posted on 01/27/2025 11:49:23 AM PST by Miami Rebel (pro-)
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To: Miami Rebel

There’s no “whataboutism” about it at all. The real anti-Semitic race grifter is Obama, not Elon Musk. The real growth of anti-Semitism in Germany (and elsewhere in Europe) came from pandering to Obama’s obsession with welcoming a migrant invasion from some of the most anti-Semitic countries on the face of the Earth.

This is what they should be worrying about.


47 posted on 01/27/2025 12:05:20 PM PST by LuxAerterna
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To: LuxAerterna

I didn’t vote for Obama and he’s no longer a visitor to the White House.

He’s just being used by you as a deflection.


48 posted on 01/27/2025 12:13:14 PM PST by Miami Rebel (pro-)
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To: Miami Rebel

Do I know any Germans? You mean other than my friends and relatives?

Meine Vorfahren sind Deutsch. Ich hatte Deutsch als kleines Kind zu Hause gesprochen. Ich hab’ zweimal in Deutschland gewohnnt. Ja, ein Paar Deutsche kenne Ich schon.


49 posted on 01/27/2025 1:12:49 PM PST by FLT-bird
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To: Miami Rebel

“You may think it best that the Germans think of themselves as unredeemable.”

You have a beautiful imagination. I have many German friends.

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You didn’t actually disagree with me. Perhaps your German friends are your friends because they think themselves unredeemable. That’s why you like them.

(They would be the inverse of a gentile making friends with a self hating jew—because said jew is self hating—why? Perhaps such self hatred has its charm. Like the way chinese men once liked chinese women who bound their feet to make their feet small.)

In general I would say self hatred does not serve anyone—least of all its practitioner.


50 posted on 01/27/2025 1:15:56 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer

Good Lord, but you do have a febrile imagination. You have constructed a detailed ecosystem where you not only completely understand people you’ve never met and but also can even, with great confidence, reveal their hidden psychological underpinnings.

Germans comfortable in their own skins? They must be self-hating!


51 posted on 01/27/2025 1:24:33 PM PST by Miami Rebel (pro-)
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To: Miami Rebel

Germans comfortable in their own skins?

Were you not accusing Musk of calling on Germans to be comfortable in their own skins?


52 posted on 01/27/2025 1:44:08 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: Miami Rebel
ARE you German? IF so what are you doing in Miami?

I come from a German great grandfather that came to the US as a stowaway in the late 1800’s... I also come from Scottish immigrants from way back in the 1700’s ... and one of their off-spring was scooped up and sent in on D-day.. took a head shot of shrapnel ... had the presence of mind to keep his thumb in the air and was recovered by the medics on the beach...

He got a metal plate installed to keep his brain in his head ... bandaged up and sent on to the battle of the bulge ...

I remember as a child watching my dearest grandmother talk about what happened to her first born son... I am really tired of lectures from people in Miami on what people should or should not think!

53 posted on 01/27/2025 1:53:19 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Psalm 2. Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?)
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To: Just mythoughts

Gott im himmel!

1. You’d be surprised how indifferent I am to your pedigree.

2. You’re imagining things if you think I’ve exerted any effort to persuade you what to think or not to think.

(By the way, do you believe that there are no Germans in Miami, a city of over 2 million? Are you for real?)


54 posted on 01/27/2025 3:39:54 PM PST by Miami Rebel (pro-)
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To: Miami Rebel

There are Germans all over America…. One just killed a border patrol officer up in socialist Vermont this t week.. recently I have heard about a newbie here on a visa, from Germany. Despises President Trump and advocates shredding our constitution..

You have an agenda.. and you are attempting to influence.

Oh, perhaps you are without a pedigree? Or maybe you hold yourself out like that pig in Animal Farm?


55 posted on 01/27/2025 3:52:41 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Psalm 2. Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?)
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To: Miami Rebel

World War II was nearly a century ago. If past guilt is what is preventing Germans from having pride in and defending their culture and heritage, then that guilt needs to be abandoned.


56 posted on 01/27/2025 4:39:56 PM PST by Eternally Anti-Globalist (Language, Borders, Culture)
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To: Miami Rebel
“Musk's joking minimization of the Nazi past and his cozying up to a party rooted in anti-semitism are despicable.”

Joke post?
Please show me any country on earth that has not committed massacres against one group or the other in their history if you go back and dig into it enough.
In WW II alone Stalin murdered millions in Russia and Russia was allies with America then.
America and Britain slaughtered thousands of women and children in Dresden ( look up Bomber Harris), and the Japanese carried out terrible massacres in China.
Germany cannot continue to bow down to other countries because of Hitler.

57 posted on 01/29/2025 11:30:50 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe

Why is that Americans are so insistent that Germans need to be shielded from their history??


58 posted on 01/30/2025 10:50:50 AM PST by Miami Rebel (pro-)
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To: Miami Rebel

A weak pathetic response.
Try again.


59 posted on 01/30/2025 11:54:48 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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