Posted on 09/08/2024 8:55:53 AM PDT by MTBobcat
That was a memorable night/morning/afternoon and several succeeding days on FR. I miss a lot of the oldtimers.
How did they manage to do that?
The reporter claimed it was from context in recent posts and the screen name (Buckhead being an upscale suburb of Atlanta).
Myself, I think someone he knew IRL dropped a dime.
It's amazing to watch the so-called experts lie through their teeth insisting that the memos could have been created in 1972.
The videos look severely edited, where the "experts" may have been asked a hypothetical question and their answer was edited to make it seem like a definitive answer to a different question.
Perhaps the most memorable evening of Free Republic!
Fake documents were circulated by the pro-Bush side, the folks at CBS and Dan Rather were either really stupid for falling for it or just doing what fake news does.
The truthful story concerning Bush using the Guard to avoid Vietnam and his refusal to honor his Guard service commitments without penalty was buried after a successful
disinformation op.
Bush was and always will be a tool of the Deep State.
There is no way for me to know for certain why Bush refused to submit to a required flight physical, but the most likely explanation was his cocaine use at the time had him worried about a drug test.
Keep in mind the tax payers had spent over a million dollars training Bush to be a pilot, and then he refused to get a flight physical. Anyone else would have been disciplined under the UCMJ.
Thousands of good men were on the list for that slot who would have honored their commitment, but were passed over so low scoring Bush could avoid Vietnam .
Thanks to Dan Rather, no one demanded a explanation as to how a lieutenant could refuse a required flight physical and avoid discipline.
After reading the comments, I am thinking about the many Conservatives who supported GW Bush against the RatherGate attack.
We Conservatives have not changed in these past 20 years and now we support Trump.
What does G Bush do? He dumps on all of us Conservatives who saved his butt 20 years ago.
What on earth are you talking about?
Bush flew 336 air hours while in the ANG.
“What on earth are you talking about?”
https://www.mit.edu/people/fuller/peace/bush_1972_usatoday.htm
Highly unusual’ circumstances
Bush, whose father was in Congress at the time, was selected for Air Force pilot training, a highly competitive process, despite the speeding tickets and automobile accidents. He had also been arrested for two incidents considered college pranks: stealing a wreath in New Haven, Conn., and rowdiness at a college football game.
The combination of arrests and traffic violations and the score in the bottom quarter of those who took the pilot exam usually would have cast doubt on most applicants who were applying for pilot training, four former and current National Guard fighter pilots and one former Air Force pilot said. All served in the 1970s.
After Bush stopped flying fighter jets in April 1972 and did not take an annual physical examination required of all pilots, the Air Force should have required a hearing known as a flying evaluation board to determine his fitness to fly. Because the federal government spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to train each pilot, it typically did not allow them to stop flying without a formal proceeding. Bush’s records do not mention a flying evaluation board.
The president’s advisers and friends have explained that Bush stopped flying because his unit was phasing out the F-102 in 1972. They also say he was not able to get a required flight physical in Alabama, where his records show he was granted permission to train in the fall of 1972. Bartlett said there was no need for a physical exam because Bush stopped flying.
Guard records, however, show pilots in Bush’s unit in Texas were still flying the F-102 in 1974, a year after Bush left the Guard.
And Bush would likely have been able to get a flight doctor in Alabama to give him a physical. The White House released records last week showing that Bush had received a dental exam at Dannelly Air National Guard Base in Montgomery, Ala., in January 1973.
Pilots who stop flying are given other Guard duties. In Air Force jargon, it’s called DNIF, or Duties Not to Include Flying, which is a written order. There is no indication in Bush’s records that his supervisors assigned him another job. Aides say Bush has told them that once he stopped flying, he performed “odds and ends” for commanders whose names he can’t recall.
So far just one Alabama Guard member, John Calhoun, has come forward with specific recollections of seeing Bush on duty at Dannelly. He said he saw him eight to 10 times from May to October 1972.
John Richardson, a former Air Guard, Air Force and Air Reserve fighter pilot who served from 1978 to 2001, said regulations for Air Guard pilots during the early 1970s were much more relaxed than they are today. But even by the standards of the time, Richardson said, Bush’s selection for pilot training and the circumstances under which he stopped flying are “highly unusual.”
When Bush joined the National Guard in 1968, the United States was losing more than 250 troops a week in the Vietnam War. The combat deaths disproportionately excluded the sons of privileged families, some of whom used family connections to enlist in the Guard, which was rarely called for Vietnam duty. At that time, before the all-volunteer military was created, the Pentagon used draftees to fill its need for forces in Vietnam.
When Bush applied for membership in the Texas Air National Guard, it was collegial, almost exclusively white and, like other Air Guard units around the USA, far less professional than today.
“The attitude of a typical unit was more like a flying club than a professional military organization,” said Chuck Devlaming, a Florida attorney who served two tours of duty in Vietnam and flew fighters for the Air Force and Air Guard from 1968 to 1988.
Devlaming also said, however, that it would be inaccurate to describe Bush or his comrades as performing safe duty during wartime. Flying a fighter jet anywhere, he said, is inherently dangerous.
The unit that Bush was assigned to in Texas, the 147th Fighter Group, defended the continental USA from enemy bomber attacks. Its pilots flew a hard-to-fly fighter jet called the F-102 Delta Dagger. Because most pilots who flew for the Air Guard were part-time officers who had other jobs, commanders were more lax about records and the whereabouts of pilots than Air Force pilots.
Bush’s peers remember him as a good flier who, in his first two years as a pilot in 1970-71, flew his share of missions from Ellington Air Force Base in Houston.
Failed to retake physical
Then something happened.
In the spring of 1972, Bush’s records show he stopped showing up for drills at his unit in Texas at about the time he requested a transfer to an Alabama Air National Guard unit. Military records indicate he requested the transfer so he could work for the political campaign of Winton “Red” Blount, a Republican candidate for the Senate and a friend of Bush’s father.
Bush’s last flight physical, taken in 1971, expired on July 6, 1972. He did not renew it, as required of all military pilots, which is noted in his National Guard records. He was suspended from flying in August for missing the exam.
Richardson, the former Air Guard pilot, said it is not unheard of for Guard pilots to stop flying for months at a time. Some are airline pilots and need to adjust their schedules; others get called away by their employers. But it is rare for a pilot to fail to take a required physical, even one who knew he would be taking a short hiatus from flying, Richardson said.
White House press secretary Scott McClellan said Thursday that “there was no need for a flight exam” because Bush had moved to Alabama and was to do “equivalent duty” that didn’t require him to fly.
A contemporary of Bush, Dean Roome, a former Texas Air National Guard fighter pilot, was Bush’s roommate when they were flying in Houston. He said that during the first half of his career, Bush was a model officer. Roome and another Bush contemporary, retired Texas Air National Guard Col. Maurice Udell, vouched for Bush’s military service in the fall of 2000 at the request of the Bush campaign after the Boston Globe raised questions about an apparent gap in his service from May 1972 to April 1973.
During a telephone interview with USA TODAY in 2002, Roome described Bush’s career as mercurial; the first three years were outstanding, the final two troubled. “You wonder if you know who George Bush is,” Roome said.
“I think he digressed after awhile,” he said. “In the first half, he was gung-ho. ... Where George failed was to fulfill his obligation as a pilot. It was an irrational time in his life.”
Contacted by e-mail last week, Roome pulled back from those comments. He wrote that he admires Bush, that the president met his obligations in the Guard and that he does not want to be seen as attacking him. “Only George W. Bush knows why he was unable to continue flying in the Guard,” Roome wrote.
“Bush flew 336 air hours while in the ANG.”
Is that total time?
Undergraduate Pilot Training would have lasted a year and he would have left Moody with about 200 hours.
He completed training at F-102 CCTS in June of 1970.
His last recorded flight duty was in May 1972.
So for a taxpayer investment of over a million dollars in his training, he flew for less than 24 months after being qualified in the F-102 because he refused to get a required flight physical.
Why do you think he refused to do his duty?
If that 336 hours was total time, that is worth producing fake documents to cover that up.
Undergraduate Pilot Training would have been approximately
200 hours.
F-102 CCTS training would have been at least 100 hours to reach mission ready status.
If Bush really flew less than 50 hours as a mission ready, qualified F-102 pilot after tax payers spent over a million dollars on his training so he could avoid Vietnam, that would be worth producing fake documents to distract from the real story.
I don’t care, dude. I just pointed out your claim isn’t supported by what’s in his military record.
I have to assume you’re a liar. I don’t like the Bushes at all, but have your case together before making claims that can’t be proven.
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