Posted on 09/03/2024 11:35:58 AM PDT by Miami Rebel
“You know, Churchill’s the good guy, Neville Chamberlain’s the bad guy. You know it’s just, it’s too pat, it’s too, obviously, quite banal. But it also has justified, like, the killing of millions of people since the end of the Second World War. And so I do think it’s fair to ask like ‘What really was going on?’
Talk about word salad.
He was referring to Soviet POWs. Ofc many who survived the war were sent to gulags when they returned home.
“ One thing he stated was that Hitler never wanted to go to war with Great Britain or France. He really did not think that Britain and France would go to war with Germany over Poland.”
Hitler thought the US would join him, too.
He was a crazy psychopathic murderer.
“I was born and raised in TN, but I also lived in Australia for 25 years, and let me tell you, Churchill is reviled there.”
Not to mention Gallipoli in WW1.
I will read just about anything to determine if the author has a leg to stand on.
All wars lead to atrocities.
Hitler and Germany bear the lion’s share of the condemnation for starting the war and intentionally exterminating millions in the holocaust.
Britain and America did intentionally target civilians in their bombing campaign.
Russia signed the pact with Hitler that allowed Germany to start the war, used its troops as cannon fodder during the fighting, and allowed their soldiers to rape German women.
The biggest strategic blunder was allowing Hitler to violate the weaponry limits Germany agreed to in the treaty ending WWI when Germany was weak. As each year of Hitler’s rule progressed Germany built more tanks, bombers, submarines, and battleships, and trained more troops, aviators, and sailors.
In 1936 German troops retook the Rhineland on a bluff.
In early 1938 Germany annexed Austria.
In the Fall of 1938 Germany threatened war if the Sudetenland wasn’t ceded to Germany by Czechoslovakia. Britain & France coerced Czechoslovakia into yielding.
In the spring of 1939 Germany took the rest of Czechoslovakia.
In August of 1939 Germany and the Soviet Union agreed to divide Poland between themselves.
In September 1939 Germany invaded Poland. Britain and France declared war. France had a large army. Britain did not. Neither of them could offer any aid to Poland.
Five and a half years of brutality and destruction took place until Germany could be defeated and its war criminals could be punished. The lesser war crimes of the leaders of the victors went unpunished.
Innocent people who had no significant role in the decisions and mistakes that caused the atrocities of WWII bore the brunt of the harm.
Have world leaders learned anything from the worst calamity suffered by the human race? Probably not. The escalation of the conflict between Russia and Ukraine is inching toward a wider war and possible nuclear weapon strikes. The mainstream trope that Russia is the bad guy and Ukraine a poor victim is fueling the escalation. What is needed is someone not hypnotized by this trope. So far, Trump seems the only leader of consequence that is willing to seek a less bellicose option. Yet, he is the one being vilified by the mainstream and targeted for assassination.
God help us all.
“So get back to your like your main question about Churchill. You know, if you go to 1939, when the Germans and the Soviet Union invade Poland, as soon as that war’s wrapped up on the German side, Hitler starts firing off peace proposals to Britain. France, because they had already declared war. He was, he didn’t expect them to declare war, actually. There’s a, you know, a famous scene where he kind of throws a fit when he finds out that they actually did, that did they did do that. And so he doesn’t want to fight France, he doesn’t want to fight Britain. He feels that’s going to weaken Europe when we’ve got this huge threat to the east, the communist threat over there.”
Interesting claims. My understanding is that Britain, France and Poland were allies. How could Hitler have not taken that into account? Also, if Hitler’s main concern is communism, why did he invade Poland, making an alliance with Stalin? Perhaps Hitler should have joined a French, British, Polish alliance to face communism.
I would not be surprised to learn that we have been misled on history. However, these claims don’t seem to present a coherent alternative.
Perhaps a “coherent alternative” is too high a standard in history, which often seems driven by internal dynamics. Biden-Harris seem to be sleepwalking us into WWIII. Few notice. Why should I expect logic, when good sense seems to be in short supply?
“Trump seems the only leader of consequence that is willing to seek a less bellicose option.”
So are Xi and Modi, but of course the former is in the tank for Putin.
As to the rest of your post, you make many valid points, but you don’t speak to the views of Carlson’s guest, Cooper, which point to Churchill being culpable in part for Hitler’s war.
Says Cooper: “The reason I resent Churchill so much for it is that he kept this war going when he had no way, he had no way to go back and fight this war.” So to Cooper suing for peace would have been the only acceptable course, and Carlson raises no objection.
Further, the glib dismissal of the murder of Jews and Poles as an unavoidable happenstance of an invasion that was too successful and rapid is downright sickening.
Hitler thought he could take us on, and we smashed him. We would have taken Berlin first also, if Ike had let Patton
No, Churchill was a simp for Stalin. No one rescued communism in the 20th century than Churchill.
By the time Churchill became Prime Minister in the late spring of 1940 the war was already in full swing. With Hitler & Stalin on the same side he had two bad options: surrender or fight on. He probably chose the lesser evil.
We would have taken Berlin first also, if Ike had let Patton
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Stalin could have easily defeated the Germans in 1944 if he wanted to. The Red Army was just outside of Warsaw in the summer of 44. Stalin wanted the Polish home army destroyed and he happily let Hitler do it while the Red Army watched.
This is just a hit piece on Tucker. It’s too bad that people here are falling for this BS.
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