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Bingo! As much as I’ve been against this funding it is a win for America on two counts. Most of the funding will never get within 5000 miles of Ukraine. It will be used by the MIC to replenish some of the vast amounts of weaponry we have wasted in Ukraine. Considering the ineptitude of the warmongers in DC, we could be blundered into a shooting war with Iran, China or Russia where we will desperately need those replenished weapons. Secondly, after Ukraine collapses this summer, Biden will own it. He will take the full political hit without being able to blame Trump for holding up this “vital” aid.

Fiscally speaking, what’s $61B anyway? It just means rather than rolling up that next trillion in debt in 90 days, it will now only take 80 days. Big Whoop. Who knows? Perhaps that Uniparty hack Johnson has helped to propel DJT back to the White House with his treachery.

The terrible, sickening tragedy will play out in Ukraine. The $15B or so that does get to the Ukes will prolong their slaughter by perhaps an additional month.

1 posted on 04/20/2024 3:16:53 PM PDT by hardspunned
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If the bill had not passed, the administration would have made sure the collapse occurred before Nov. Blame it on R’s. Old media gleefully goes along.

Now that it has passed, the admin will keep things going until after Jan 20 so they can blame the collapse on the new administration. The only way out for U.S. credibility is a “stay in place” settlement. At least domestically, we can count on the old media to trumpet that as a huge triumph for the Biden administration if it occurs on Biden’s watch. If a new administration reaches the exact same “stay in place” accord, the old media will trumpet it as an enormous loss and capitulation to Putin.

But either Ukraine collapses in the near future, some kind of stay in place settlement is reached, or the French, Brits, and Poles start sending manpower into Ukraine. And then it’s a whole new world.

Any “stay in place” settlement will be hugely unstable because US should probably help Ukraine rebuild and rearm as we have been complicit in destroying their economy and infrastructure (Yes, Russia is the bad guy but we convinced the Ukrainians to stand there and let the Russia beat the crap out of them). Russians would see any such effort as hostile and probably recommence hostilities.

OTOH, if Russia intervenes in what is left of Ukraine to take political control (the reverse of what Obama did in 2014—call it an ‘uncolor’ revolution), Poland, France, Britain and even Germany will be justifiably concerned. Unstable situation all around.

It sucks to be Ukrainian and it could suck to be a European.


46 posted on 04/20/2024 4:00:49 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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The vast majority of Americans wouldn't give a flying crap about any "collapse" of Ukraine.

Anyone who bases their vote on ensuring Ukraine's future should be exiled.

47 posted on 04/20/2024 4:01:21 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (“There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach,” said one woman)
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Why do Conservatives keep falling for this idea that Democrats will ever own their own incompetence or corruption? They have been immeasurably successful on pinning all of their destruction on Republicans. Average Americans that love freedom have to be every bit as zealous in forcing freedom upon Democrat tyrants as they are in imposing their despotism.


55 posted on 04/20/2024 4:15:11 PM PDT by Ajnin (Don't be a pansy, embrace the fireball.)
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One of the funding packages allows for the confiscation of Russian assets in the US. Not freezing, but confiscation.

I hope you are heavily invested in tangibles on Monday. Preferably Sunday night as overnight trading begins at 8PM.

I saw this coming from far and a mile wide.


56 posted on 04/20/2024 4:19:45 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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Biden’s strategy on Ukraine might have worked if China, North Korea, and Iran wasn’t helping Russia get around the sanctions. Since Biden can’t stop China, I’d say Russia will eventually defeat Zelensky and take over Kyiv. Then Biden and the Democrats will get the blame. Unfortunately Ukraine’s defeat will come after November 2024 so Trump must depend on other issues to defeat Biden in the election. History will blame Ukraine’s defeat on Biden and the Democrats.


57 posted on 04/20/2024 4:22:14 PM PDT by convoter2016
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“Fiscally speaking, what’s $61B anyway? It just means rather than rolling up that next trillion in debt in 90 days, it will now only take 80 days. Big Whoop.”

It’s that kind of incremental thinking that got us where we are today, fiscally speaking. No amount of spending in a bill is ever a big deal compared to the unfathomably huge deficit, but that doesn’t make it unimportant.


62 posted on 04/20/2024 5:16:38 PM PDT by Magic Fingers (Political correctness mutates in order to remain virulent.)
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Ukraine has been defeated for some time now. The deep state has lulled and propagandized us to believe otherwise. West Ukraine to Poland (where it once belonged for several hundred years) and eastern Russian speaking provinces to Russia. Biden to declare victory by plagiarizing the Gettysburg Address.


64 posted on 04/20/2024 6:27:26 PM PDT by Chauncey Gardiner (Vivamus stultus ignarus mori )
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Only 13 billion or so is going to actual weapons systems for AFU. That may buy a bunch of Patriot missiles, among other things.

But it appears that Patriots are not infallible, and most of those would be deployed around the capital and areas where foreign advisors are.


65 posted on 04/21/2024 1:32:35 AM PDT by rfp1234 (E Porcibus Unum )
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