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Huge image damage: Biden and Trump turn their backs on Netanyahu
Israel Hayom (Israel Today) ^ | 26/3/2024, 23:30, Updated26/3/2024, 23:30 | Ariel Kahane

Posted on 04/01/2024 11:28:58 AM PDT by Miami Rebel

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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; BraveMan; cardinal4; ...
Trump remains loyal to Israel, supports it and justifies the war it has waged, but warns: "You have lost the support you had. Once upon a time, 15 years ago, Israel had the strongest lobby. If you were a politician, you couldn't say anything bad about Israel. That was the end of your political career. Today it's almost the opposite."
Yeah, that's the same as what Biden says and does. Ridiculous BS op-ed.

21 posted on 04/01/2024 12:41:33 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: silent majority rising
Israel did not create Hamas. This a bs assertion.

I simply do not have evidence to prove or disprove.

It took a while for the truth to come out that Obunghole was behind creating Isis, so... we'll see.

22 posted on 04/01/2024 12:43:26 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: jjotto

Israel Hayom started as a Rightist Israeli paper. It has since become a typical Leftist mouthpiece after the death of owner Sheldon Adelson, not different from Times of Israel or Jerusalem Post.

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You’re just being plain silly. Here are its current opinion pieces:

https://www.israelhayom.com/opinions

Take your time and show me the leftist piece.


23 posted on 04/01/2024 12:52:49 PM PDT by Miami Rebel
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To: silent majority rising; erlayman; ifinnegan
Regarding the election in Gaza Israel did everything in its power to try to convince the US administration and the EU that the elections to the PA should not cover Gaza. However, GW Bush and Condolezza Rice and the EU knew best, and forced the Israelis to accept voting also in Gaza. Of course the Israelis knew what was going to happen. Hamas won to the consternation of the do-gooders in the Western foreign offices. Not very long after Hamas threw the rest of PLO/PA out of Gaza in a bloody internecine fight.
24 posted on 04/01/2024 1:02:26 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Miami Rebel

Netanyahu betrayed President Trump more than once.


25 posted on 04/01/2024 1:18:02 PM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: Miami Rebel

Trump is right and I don’t read it as hi turning his back on Israel.

Israel did lose the support they had from this country and that blame is all laid at the feet of the current administration.

As far as not calling on Israel to finish off hamas, he’s wise to not say anything for several reasons.


26 posted on 04/01/2024 1:24:47 PM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus…)
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To: Miami Rebel

Trump is not turning his back on Israel here. He is giving the Israelis accurate information, and perhaps storm warnings, about how they are doing politically here. Trump is saying, you need to know you are getting on thin ice here, be advised. I don’t doubt he’d like to see Israel “finish the job.”


27 posted on 04/01/2024 1:41:18 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative. )
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To: Miami Rebel

Israel the only stable country in the middle east we better not lose them Trump did good by helping them.

Biden is doing all he can to feed them to the terrorists.

Nothing in Biden’s path he can’t F/U.


28 posted on 04/01/2024 2:03:16 PM PDT by Vaduz
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To: ScaniaBoy

Thanks. Absolutely true!


29 posted on 04/01/2024 2:03:55 PM PDT by silent majority rising (When it is dark enough, men see the stars. Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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To: Chainmail

Ah yes, moral high ground warfare for the benefit of teevee where we don’t fight to win, we just fight not to lose…..worked well for us in Vietnam, Libya, Lebanon, Somalia, Yemen, and led to burying my friends from our exploits in Iraq and Afghanistan. Perhaps we should let others do what they think should be done in their country and given our track record, we can stay the hell out of it.


30 posted on 04/01/2024 2:34:25 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy saints surrounded.)
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To: Repeat Offender
Uh huh. Another "expert" strikes again. You been in any wars? I have and no, we didn't "fight for TV": we fought hard and well, only to be betrayed at home by the enemy sympathizer Left and draft avoiding cowards.

There are two major parts to any war - the ground fight and the soul of the fight. To win, you need both and as long as the IDF makes no distinction between civilians and their real enemies, they will continue to lose ground.

31 posted on 04/01/2024 2:59:18 PM PDT by Chainmail (How do I feel about ignorance and apathy? I don't know and I don't care.)
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To: Repeat Offender
An excerpt from George Washington’s Final Address

The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible.

So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop. Europe has a set of primary interests which to us have none; or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns.

Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves by artificial ties in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities.

George knew the Euros are constantly bickering and battling, it ‘s what they do.

32 posted on 04/01/2024 3:04:57 PM PDT by OldHarbor
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...as long as the IDF makes no distinction between civilians and their real enemies, they will continue to lose ground.

What are you talking about? The civilian losses in Gaza has been the lowest ever in an urban warfare setting. Here is a piece quoting Col John Spencer, Chair of Urban Warfare Studies:

West Point Urban Warfare Expert: IDF ‘Implemented More Measures to Prevent Civilian Casualties Than Any Other Military in History’

33 posted on 04/02/2024 1:55:27 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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Here's where we part company: we have watched the videos - very large bombs were used to nail Hamas sites and the other large explosive charges were used to attack hardened facilities. These are the techniques one uses to reduce enemy facilities and fighters at least cost to your own troops. It's a valid tactic but the equation is use a massively larger force to reduce the numbers of infantry losses in exchange for a large number of innocent bystander losses.

Gaza is a very tightly compressed area with very few places to go to escape. I lived there for about two weeks and even then, it was denser with bodies than anyplace I 've ever been to.

The other point is that the Israelis, while I understand their anger and thirst for revenge from the October 7th atrocities, have always considered brutal, indiscriminate force appropriate to the Gazans, all Gazans when their blood is up.

Some West Point swell can say "how wonderfully low" the casualties are among the ordinary people but the videos of those massive explosions - and the lack of food, shelter, and medicines for the civilians are indicators of excessive callousness.

I've done this stuff for a living my whole career, so it may be worthwhile to listen to a nice, humble battalion commander who never went to West Point.

34 posted on 04/02/2024 7:51:52 AM PDT by Chainmail (How do I feel about ignorance and apathy? I don't know and I don't care.)
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To: Chainmail
I have five campaigns across 4 deployments and am a PH recipient. I wasn’t an officer either…I was a 240gunner through Phantom Fury, and two more deployments to Ramadi after I was wounded…I saw first hand the difference between open warfare and pansy ass ROEs with our hearts and minds campaign. I also saw first hand how eager everyone was to avoid hitting targets while the enemy refit. While Marines saw people digging in the road but couldn’t engage because they didn’t see the actual IED at 400yds. Saw what appeared to be them running wire, but couldn’t engage b/c even though it looked like they were running wire, the Marines couldn’t actually see wire. Two KIA off the 155 that blew. It was no surprise when ISIS swept through the country…..except maybe to the pentagon…there’s a reason the bldg shaped like an #55hole.

I was there when investigation was launched after a Marine engaged an enemy combatant believed to be playing possum, and said “He’s dead now.” Several Marines had been killed the day before from that same tactic. The discussion of the Marines prior to engagement was edited out by NBC and played to look like murder. I was there when word spread that Marine was recalled from the front during the second largest MOUT in USMC history and investigated for ROE violations/murder. I saw first hand in my own unit what that did to morale (we found out during a res and refit).

I was there when we were taking BOLO pictures of terrorists, whom killed Marines, off the wall and handed them ID cards.

So yes - we did fight for tv and we did have garbage ROEs. Sorry if that conflicts with what they told at Command & Staff or TBS.

35 posted on 04/02/2024 2:20:27 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy saints surrounded.)
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To: Repeat Offender
Huh. On one hand, I respect you for your time in the Corps and your combat and that you were wounded in the service of your country - you are one of the select few.

On the other hand, I think you have made some flawed assumptions about who I am.

1. I was enlisted for four years, almost 2 of those years were served in combat in Vietnam as an artilleryman and then as a Scout Observer with the grunts.

2. I was hit too and spent 7 months in several hospitals - and then one year more wearing a full-length steel brace.

3. We had restrictive ROE too, but we managed to work around it get the job done. Won't say more than that.

4. I went on to be commissioned and eventually commanded an artillery battalion for 18 months.

Iraq was a shithole and the Marines who fought in al Anbar and elsewhere (and Afghanistan) are the best of the best. I got to meet a lot of you when I visited Walter Reed and Betheseda while I worked as a retired Marine, designing new technologies for use in combat over in Iraq. Every one I met were Marines we could all be proud of and their stories and their suffering resonated with me and the other more senior Marines who served in the same war I did.

The senior Marines we have now are different - some very different - from leaders we have had in the past. They do not understand combat as what it is - organized murder - and live in some other world where we take all the risks and responsibilities and yet we have to perform our missions withing their unrealistic ROEs. They do not trust the individual Marines to do their jobs and that "they know better".

The incident which best illustrates this new gulf is when Gen Amos, our beloved airwing CMC, went ballistic over those four Marine snipers who pissed on the dead Taliban. He wanted them all court-martialed and destroyed, and when he didn't get the results he wanted, relieved the LtGen investigating and replaced him. What better illustrates this disconnect? Instead of just chewing those Marines out for the public and putting all four on mess duty for a month, he tries to send his own Marines to prison for something that likely happens four times a day in battle?

Our "leaders" do not understand what Marines are supposed to be - just how to keep their records fault-free for the big money jobs after they get out.

36 posted on 04/03/2024 11:07:06 AM PDT by Chainmail (How do I feel about ignorance and apathy? I don't know and I don't care.)
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To: Chainmail

[The other point is that the Israelis, while I understand their anger and thirst for revenge from the October 7th atrocities, have always considered brutal, indiscriminate force appropriate to the Gazans, all Gazans when their blood is up.]


The difficulty for Israel is that, relative to its small population, it has already suffered Vietnam-scale losses on top of literally decades of Palestinian terror attacks that cumulatively amount to additional Vietnam-scale losses. For Israelis, they haven’t suffered the impact of what, in the US context, is 1,500 dead. What they’ve suffered, given that the US population is ~40x Israel’s, is the equivalent of 58,000 US dead in Vietnam.

At this body count in the Pacific, the US was burning Japanese cities to the ground, with Operation Meetinghouse razing a section of Tokyo and killing 100K residents in a single 24-hour period. For Israelis, the trauma is real and cumulative over decades.


37 posted on 04/03/2024 9:02:10 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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To: Chainmail
To win, you need both and as long as the IDF makes no distinction between civilians and their real enemies, they will continue to lose ground.

The IDF is not self-sufficient so they have to appease the Americans for the time being. After the war, they need to develop their industry so they won't depend on the U.S. for their defense needs.

38 posted on 04/03/2024 9:08:37 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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