Posted on 09/03/2023 10:10:00 AM PDT by daniel1212
I hold your God to the same standard I do of ANYTHING! Actions speak louder than words!! And again, I've seen ZERO so there is ZERO Belief!!
so if
God is all powerful and all good,how does he allow someone to die of a painful disease?
Not many helpful answers for that one. Usually, “
God allows that so that we can see the good that comes out of tragedy’”....kind of a circular argument avoiding the basic question. No free will involved in tragic illness.
Someone needs to look up the meaning of “free will.”
OR THE ANSWER IF “ WE CAN’T UNDERSTAND
GOD’S WAYS..WE’LL FIND OUT LATER, MAYBE.”
When we speak of God we speak of love, because God is love.
You cannot look at one attribute in isolation.
God must be just. His mercy/love is at his great pleasure.
“Let’s assume that all men are guilty of sin in the sight of God. From the mass of humanity, God sovereignly decides to give mercy to some of them. What do the rest get? They get justice. The saved get mercy and the unsaved get justice. Nobody gets injustice” - R. C. Sproul
Not saying you are wrong, just pointing out there is more.
Most assuredly. That answer is so plain and obvious It wonders me that people still make that argument against God without first explaining away Free Will.
Back for a bit.
If you cannot see that, as evidenced by your response to post 253, your atheistic blindness prevents you from seeing both the consequences (direct and indirect) of disobeying God (thus suffering) as well as His restraint (thus the whole world is not a N.Korea, as well as what your faith is up against in the light of the universe, then nothing can presently change that.
Be back later.
I don’t understand, but I’m interested.
What do you mean by “not attempting to be a “model”, which the modern Western mind took as the only possible activity of the human mind”?
God gave Adam Free Will.
I put your God on the stand and ask him what he has done to stop ANYTHING!??
I hold your God to the same standard I do of ANYTHING! Actions speak louder than words!! And again, I’ve seen ZERO so there is ZERO Belief!!
You look through all of history and see no times when evil was restrained. If it wasn’t restrained for individuals and societies, can you imagine the state we would be in?
The issue for you and throughout history is man good or evil? If man is good we can create heaven on earth, if not it is hell on earth.
How are you defining good and evil? Is it a relative thing, defined by man, changing day by day. We live in a day in which good is evil and evil is good. What does that tell you?
The amazing thing is that God has not turned us completely over to our hearts desires. The amazing thing is that he does restrain some evil.
The very discussion of evil and good requires that there be a standard to evaluate. What should that standard be?
The gov’t thinks it is evil that you should have a house and car all to yourself. Are they right?
Or is there a perfect unchanging standard we should understand and strive for?
judging by your response(s), its even difficult for you to come up with a sensible excuse.
man’s heart is what controls society.
There is no good and evil. There is only man’s heart which changes by the hour.
Man’s heart is saying it is evil for you have have a house and car to yourself. You agree with mans heart?
You think he is sitting back waiting for man to fix it? Really? We have done a bang up job.
What he is doing is revealing mans heart and it is not a good picture is it. You have indicated man’s heart isn’t
very good and needs help.
You say society is mans heart. Then you say it needs fixing. By what standard to you say it needs fixing?
You say we don’t need God and then blame him for not fixing things. Think about it.
lol... lets break it down so you have no where to go with it like that post shows how you argue...
Is it right or wrong? and dont hand me the crap of “Oh well it depends on who you asl... good or evil...
“You say we don’t need God and then blame him for not fixing things. Think about it.”
If youre going to question me, please have the honor in not twisting or changing my words.
. And if thats the case, what the hell is he even there for??
What is the purpose of man?
What is the chief aim of man? God has an answer for that, but man doesn’t like the answer.
If I misunderstood, then restate your points.
God made Animals—they run on instinct—they do not have Free Will. Humans do. If we lose that we are no better than the animals. We have choices to make.
Sometimes we screw it up. But not always. The very essence of free will is that we do often make the correct choice.
This is true both in personal life and in politics.
For example, Jan 19 2020 government allowed a mixture of free choice and not-so-free mandates in use of fossil fuel.
Jan 21 the US shifted and greatly increased the mandates and reduced the freedom to choose. The results are obvious.
Jan 21 Biden signaled to Putin and Bidenomics would finance Putin’s invasion of Ukraine. At the same time Biden created inflation. Removed the ability of the working poor to buy gasoline to get to work. Bidenomics created inflation that hurt the poor much harder than the rich.... and with no freedom to choose.... with Biden bastardizing his concept of a God who mandates.
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