Posted on 12/31/2022 6:27:03 PM PST by nwrep
You nailed it. A dangerous combination of bad technical and bad communication skills.
I know so many white guys who used to work in IT but now won't go near it any price. It's a spiraling mess and no one wants to clean it up.
I regularly see failures from IT staff who are completely unaware that the problems they're causing were resolved back in the 1990s. They have no knowledge of established industry standards and why they were put in place to start with.
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Bingo
This is exactly the point the article makes.
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LOL. You win the thread.
Masala
The “Bobs” in our IT department are beyond useless. I am their enemy as there were a couple of projects they were working on for years for millions of dollars that I needed right now on the factory floor and had a demonstration running over a weekend, and within a couple of months had running nation wide for a tiny fraction of the cost without any freakin meetings. At the beginning, there were many instances where during a remote call in a meeting with a plant manager, the “Bobs” were giving their usual spiel about one year and x hundred thousand dollars, and then the plant manager would ask what I thought at which time I would announce that I had configured it while the meeting was happening and they could start using it immediately. Our engineering group just does it now if it is remotely touching the factory process.
Was it on a mountain top? Tikka masala.
Not only the software engineers.
During the 90’s a major jet engine manufacturer hired an Indian PHD to be the manufacturing development group manager. He thought that just because he approved or directed something, that made it so. He quickly had his yes man army and wouldn’t hear contrary reports. The guys running the machines came into my office, complaining about a material batch that we were using to make experimental blades. I took their concerns to the engineering meeting. He basically said ‘ what do machine operators know?. I checked out the material, wrote it up, and he told me to keep my nose out of development business. ( He was my bosses boss). I went to the Plant Financial officers office, and told him I needed to speak to him as the ombudsman, because I could see a test stand, a development engine, and our plant taking damage over this bad material. Then I bent the 3/8 thick titanium forging over my knee. After the investigation was over, it turns out our PHD had signed off and skipped a heat treat operation in the routing. The plant manager basically gave me a project position so i could help the floor develop new processes. Because the Indian wanted me fired for going over his head. The best indian Food is a style called Hakka... It’s basically chinese with indian spices.
I’ve never run into a competent engineer from the Subcontinent.
I also forward every single request from an Indian recruiter to the bit-bucket, unread....
Haha! Autocorrect. 😆
I’m glad it worked out well for you. I think the attitude is derived from the caste system, but I’m not sure.
Graduates of the Indian Institutes of Technology , IIT’s, (a small minority) are top notch. These are the top tier talent of Silicon Valley. Eg Amit Singhal, who wrote the modern version of Google search before it got corrupted by politics. There are others who have founded unicorn companies ( Bipul Sinha of Rubrik, Jyoti Bansal (AppDynamics) etc..and many others. The bulk of the H1B imports range from mediocre to garbage and plenty are downright fraudsters.
Over the 20 or so years that I have dealt with Indian engineers, programmers and IT contractors, I must have been very lucky. I don’t recall one that was incompetent. Some were better than others, but all were at least useful.
Granted we did go through an outsourcing process where many IT functions were “offshored”, and that did create a loss of service quality, IMHO, but I can’t really blame the people on the Indian side for that. That was our management that tried to turn the work process into a hands off “paint by numbers” system and destroyed personal relationships.
I have known many IIT grads. Maybe I was lucky. Yes they tend to be excellent.
They all knew exactly how much everyone else made, even though the tradition in corporate culture is for no one to share his/her salary with anyone else.
They were very bad at collecting requirements, and they adhered to what requirements they gathered with an obstinance that was astounding. If the requirement was to test that a number was greater than X, even if it was obvious that the customer meant greater than or equal, they would code greater than, generate errors, and require the agreement of a superior to change the code.
I knew it was the beginning of the end for that start up when this happened.
I can never understand a word they say. Even though they are supposed to be speaking English.
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