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Most UFOs are 'Chinese surveillance' drones and 'airborne clutter,' Pentagon officials reveal
Space.com ^ | 11/4/2022 | Brandon Specktor

Posted on 11/06/2022 10:01:09 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity

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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Most UFOs are 'Chinese surveillance' drones

Oh, I feel so much better now.

41 posted on 11/06/2022 11:54:38 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Do you know what the “five observables” are that define a legitimate UFO?

Here they are:

1. Anti-gravity lift.

2. Sudden and instantaneous acceleration

3. Hypersonic velocities without signatures (= no vapor trails and no sonic booms)

4. Low observability, cloaking capability

5. Trans medium travel = space, atmosphere, water—and no splash in the water and no wake in the water

If China has these it is game over.


42 posted on 11/06/2022 11:57:14 AM PST by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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To: null and void; aragorn; EnigmaticAnomaly; kalee; Kale; AZ .44 MAG; Baynative; bgill; bitt; ...

HOW DO THEY EXPLAIN the incredible speed of the UFOs described by Military pilots?


43 posted on 11/06/2022 12:09:37 PM PST by bitt (<IMG SRC=' 'width=50%>)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Radar doesn’t get fooled by optical illusions.


44 posted on 11/06/2022 12:12:52 PM PST by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: Macho MAGA Man

What are the range of Chinese drones? Of the coast of Mexico and Puerto Rico?


45 posted on 11/06/2022 12:27:54 PM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: V_TWIN

““...Pentagon officials reveal...”

Well, now we know what it’s not”

My first thought as well!


46 posted on 11/06/2022 12:38:33 PM PST by MNDude (Once you remove "they would never" from your vocabulary, it all begins to make sense)
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To: cgbg; Openurmind
As someone said recently on one of these threads (might have been one or both of you guys), you can't blame people for having difficulty dealing with the videos and sensor recordings that have been confirmed by the Pentagon and by the actual pilots and radar operators on Aegis destroyers who were involved with these tic-tacs.

It's scary stuff if real (and these pilots and Aegis radar operators believe it is).

Lots of confirmation biases and "appeals to improbability" fallacies ("it's impossible therefore it cannot be") coming from people who still can't get their minds around this stuff. That said, some folks are going to have a hard time with what is going on here.

But when a former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence says (I paraphrase) "whatever they are...they're here," something big is going on. Something in addition to Chinese drones and clutter.

47 posted on 11/06/2022 12:55:58 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Our government is like a bunch of fleas discussing how they are going to manage their dog.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

“For any discussion on this, the UFO-groupies swarm and shout down anybody that talks sense.”

Similar to the way anti-UFO-groupies swarm and shout down anybody who thinks there’s a chance they might be real.


48 posted on 11/06/2022 12:57:58 PM PST by Magic Fingers (Political correctness mutates in order to remain virulent.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
That was an extraordinarily informative video you referenced. I bookmarked it because I know it will be useful the next time I encounter a reality challenged UFO fanatic.

My personal experiences have been with twilight missile launches from Vandenberg. I was in the squadron that launched the Minuteman missiles and I can't count the times I have been confronted by people who claim they were extraterrestrial events.

People made claims that they were tears in the time space continuum or wormholes opening up. When I confronted them that these are theoretical phenomena mostly promoted by science fiction, they melted down almost to the point of violence. They can be a scary bunch.

49 posted on 11/06/2022 1:02:21 PM PST by pfflier
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To: Macho MAGA Man

If they *DO* we’re in serious trouble.


50 posted on 11/06/2022 1:10:07 PM PST by FrankRizzo890
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To: pfflier

There was an amazing event in 1962 at Loring AFB in Maine.

A huge craft (larger than a football field) hovered over the main air-strip with dozens of witnesses.

The people from the tower watched in shock as the airmen on the field were “turned into zombies” for several minutes.

The source for this information is this book:

https://www.amazon.com/Confession-Hidden-Alien-Encounters-Revealed/dp/1695688856

One of the authors also wrote this book that lists dozens of incidents at nuclear sites:

https://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Nukes-Extraordinary-Encounters-Nuclear/dp/1544822197

We are talking many witnesses, all kinds of radar, jets scrambled to intercept the craft etc etc etc. for decades over dozens of these sites.


51 posted on 11/06/2022 1:11:42 PM PST by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Oh absolutely. They know it is something much bigger than we can imagine or comprehend.


52 posted on 11/06/2022 1:12:27 PM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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“My personal experiences have been with twilight missile launches from Vandenberg.”

I grew up with a great view of those. There was never a question of what they were. No question what the parachute flares were either. Everybody was hip.

What I saw two different times were not those or anything like those. They were physically impossible with our technology then or now.


53 posted on 11/06/2022 1:18:53 PM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: Openurmind
And a lot of skeptics are, well, scared of the possibility of this being real. I've had several people tell me that they were seriously disoriented when they first began to look into the tic-tac incidents (i.e. panic attacks).

Some people are just going to take time dealing with this. I suspect that's a big reason the DOD and ODNI are reluctant to say very much.

54 posted on 11/06/2022 1:25:38 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Our government is like a bunch of fleas discussing how they are going to manage their dog.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

I think they realized that they got too patently ridiculous with their UFO claims.

Check


55 posted on 11/06/2022 1:42:40 PM PST by Vaduz (LAWYERS )
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Tell you what... It took 2 days to fully grasp what had happened the first time. Two days of being sure it could somehow be explained. There were four of us saw it. And after those two days we realized were never going to be able to explain it and just didn’t talk about it except for side looks at each other when the topic of UFOs was mentioned.

So I understand why folks are having trouble accepting the possibility. Even when you do see it for yourself it is still hard to accept possibility for quite awhile. Until you have a second experience like I did, then you know for sure without question what you witnessed the first time. Solid irrefutable confirmation.


56 posted on 11/06/2022 1:49:10 PM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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HOW DO THEY EXPLAIN the incredible speed of the UFOs described by Military pilots?

Any Chinese scientist working at Area 51 or S-4?

57 posted on 11/06/2022 2:43:28 PM PST by null and void (← Not delusional, just differently realitied...)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

They’ve both drones for decades? Interesting.


58 posted on 11/06/2022 2:50:10 PM PST by Professional Engineer (Looks like I'll have to buy the White Album again.)
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To: bitt; mosaicwolf; Jet Jaguar; tet68; FlingWingFlyer; rodguy911

My father was an Air Traffic Controller during WWII (China/Burma/India) and during the Korean War. Dad told he saw a UFO out over the Gulf of Mexico while out fishing during the 1960’s. My father knew his aircraft and, if he said it was a UFO, I believe what he said.

I also used to email and talk to Jesse Marcel Jr. I believe totally that there are UFO’s.


59 posted on 11/06/2022 3:00:36 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

The story’s “clutter” would purport to explain away what has seen by non-military folk, if I understand it correctly.

Military folk have far too long by attacked for their honest, qualified observer reporting of UFO’s. Pilots’ otherwise stellar careers have sometimes been inappropriately damaged as they reported their accounts against a backdrop of twilight-zone catcalls, which surely sent the wrong message, usually. Their stories have oftentimes been suppressed out of existence and our body of intelligence has been robbed of data, mystifying the truth into rumors.

Fortunately, many military sightings can nowadays be corroborated via detailed recordings.


60 posted on 11/06/2022 3:06:39 PM PST by rx
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