Posted on 08/05/2022 2:11:04 PM PDT by nickcarraway
As good as LZ was in the studio, they were as disappointing live.
Page was great at multiple tracking his guitars in the studio, doubtless perfecting the sound through multiple takes.
Live, however, their sound was much thinner and hollow because Page could only play one guitar at a time.
Plant also relied on the studio to perfect his tracks. His voice burned out early on, and he was just a shell of himself in later live performances.
IMHO.
When Collins does an album on the order of ‘Wish You Were Here’ then he can talk, otherwise it’s just noise.
Yep - Mike Reno
I’m in the same boat as Phil. I could listen to Genesis all day long. Don’t like Floyd at all. I’ve tried to listen to modern prog and it just grates on my ears, especially with that thrash-metal style guitar that became popular for some reason. To each his own.
I’m a little surprised (as I always am) about the criticism of Phil going pop. He was in on all their best stuff from Nursery Cryme on.
And they wrote extended prog epics for more than a decade. At a certain point a writer says what he wanted to say with an art form, and then he wants to do something different.
Damn. Somebody needs to turn him loose.
I thought the Drama album was great. A much tougher sound for Yes, some of Steve Howe's best guitar work. Tempus Fugit flat out rocks! I didn't miss Anderson on it, because Squire's backing vocals still made it sound like Yes.
All the prog bands, went pop in the 80s, Yes did too.
Which is why I listened a lot to Marillion in the 80s.
Not gonna comment on the Floyd album as I don't know it, but Collins helped write some of the greatest prog albums of all time. Foxtrot. Lamb Lies Down on Broadway. Selling England by the Pound.
So yeah. He can definitely talk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSvWSYgSM-g&ab_channel=aomoriwalker
This is still the holy grail/touchstone/mother of all examples of when to pack it in
Phil didn’t really start writing until the Duke album. It was mostly Tony Banks and Mike Rutherford who wrote those earlier songs.
It’s funny that two musicians that closely parallel each other are Phil Collins and Peter Cetera.
Both incredibly talented musicians, Cetera was a beast on bass on the early Chicago albums, but he didn’t do a lot of writing, did sing on hits, but those were mostly written by Robert Lamm. Then he hits paydirt when he wrote “If You Leave Me Now”, and then totally changed the course of the band into a more pop sound, and like Collins eventually became best known for sappy 80s ballads.
Like a few other old rock stars, like Pete Townshend, Collins seems to have gotten nastier with age. What’s the point of saying rotten things about other old rockers, especially those who are dead and cannot defend themselves?
I’ve heard Jon Bon Jovi is really terrible now live.
Too Old to Give a Rip Anymore, I suppose.
Don’t think I’ve ever seen Close to the Edge dismissed as being part of a “slide”. Yes isn’t my absolute favorite progressive rock band, but that song is probably the greatest prog rock song ever.
Pete Townshend nastier with age? How could that possibly be considering he almost took Abbie Hoffman’s head off with his guitar at Woodstock.
Good point!
Or how about “Illegal Alien!”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx10QXvhhL8&ab_channel=JimmyKeys
Richard Page’s voice has held up well
Guy was a great prog drummer, though.
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