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Russia Just Lost Its Most Advanced Operational Tank In Ukraine
MSN ^ | 8h ago | Oliver Parken

Posted on 05/05/2022 2:58:22 AM PDT by GonzoII

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To: Steve Van Doorn
T-90M ‘Proryv’ not that either:
https://www.rbth.com/science-and-tech/330065-4-facts-about-russias-%D1%8290
21 posted on 05/05/2022 4:50:15 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Ouderkirk

The tank (and the surface warship, and the submarine, and the jet fighter...) have been declared dead so many times over their existence that they are the equivalent of Lazarus with a triple bypass.

Does the employment and defenses of modern tanks need review?

Yes.

Does it also not help Russian tank loss numbers when Ivan seems to have forgotten the whole concept of combined arms maneuver?

Also yes.

Tanks are the most survivable land vehicle on the battlefield, does that mean that less survivable vehicles like APCs, trucks, and light vehicles are outdated?

No.

Tanks and their tactics will evolve to the new threats which in turn will evolve. The classic measure - countermeasure dance will continue as it has ever since Cain developed the anti-Able rock.


22 posted on 05/05/2022 4:55:34 AM PDT by Dundee (They gave up all their tomorrows for our today's.)
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To: Grey182

There are approximately 15 SU-57. 10 test birds and 5 production.

There are less than 30 T-14 tanks currently in the Russian inventory.

Those numbers aren’t doing squat in the face of NATO.


23 posted on 05/05/2022 5:02:08 AM PDT by Dundee (They gave up all their tomorrows for our today's.)
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To: GonzoII

The light spot on top of the exploded tank?

Is that the inside of the hatch cover?

The blast area is directed to the right side of the photo. Did their canon explode? Or did they take a hit from precision artillery.

I don’t see any real sign of the canon barrel.


24 posted on 05/05/2022 5:18:30 AM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: GonzoII

I’m under the impression that though it may be more expensive than they anticipated, Russia is winning this thing.


25 posted on 05/05/2022 5:36:30 AM PDT by cuban leaf (My prediction: Harris is Spiro Agnew. We'll soon see who becomes Gerald Ford, and our next prez.)
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To: Celtic Conservative

RE: And nobody has seen a T-14 Armata tank because it’s vaporware.

SEE HERE:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vJyp7d1ANJ0

Title: Why The T-14 Armata Tank Best Tank in the World


26 posted on 05/05/2022 5:44:06 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Prototypes exist. But it’s already 5 years behind the procurement schedule and some industry professionals doubt Russia’s ability to produce it.

CC


27 posted on 05/05/2022 5:54:25 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (My cats are more amusing than 200 channels worth of TV.)
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To: GonzoII

is there a ballistics plate in that vest?


28 posted on 05/05/2022 6:01:19 AM PDT by ßuddaßudd ((>> ☼ << "What the hell kind of country is this if I can only hate a man if s/he's white?")
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To: Ouderkirk

You write, “I would think that a tank in modern warfare is outdated and a recipe for certain death. Locate with a drone, and pulverize it with artillery. I would think susceptible to IED type of munitions as well. Disable with IED, pulverize with artillery.”
Outdated holds true for any ship at sea: Locate and destroy with missiles:
Rinse and repeat.


29 posted on 05/05/2022 6:16:21 AM PDT by Bookshelf
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To: srmanuel

the plane is nothing but a couple of prototypes or has so many issues


I heard both. And far too expensive for broke Orc Land.


30 posted on 05/05/2022 7:15:05 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: throwthebumsout

All Russian tanks except possibly the prototype T-14 have the same auto-loader ammo placement that makes them vulnerable. There is no way to judge what took the tank out. Most are taken out by artillery fire. UA also uses buggies with ATMs mounted to harass rear areas.


31 posted on 05/05/2022 7:20:33 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Go Gordon

Does it look like there is another tank in the background (upper left) that isn’t burned out? What’s up with that?

BMP escorting tank.


32 posted on 05/05/2022 7:22:23 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Grey182

They are both prototypes and only a few examples have been made - T-14s need to accompanied by tow trucks, unreliable and have the same flaw as the antique T-64 - T90 series.

SU-57s are too expensive to make more of than a dozen of so, and have only been used briefly in combat once and that in the traditional Orc doctrinal role as flying artillery.

The Orc troops don’t wish they had better stuff, but just stuff - they are running out of everything including tanks. The only thing the Orcs have in abundance are artillery shells.


33 posted on 05/05/2022 7:28:36 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Steve Van Doorn
The tank in the Ukraine image matches stock photos of T-90Ms

Your shot has reactive armor and a protective mesh in place and the commander obscures the remote machine gun mount.

Note the Ukraine image is from the rear also.

34 posted on 05/05/2022 7:36:06 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Texas Fossil

White spot is inside of the hatch is showing white were the Bondo is exposed.

barrel is long pointy thing on right side; we are seeing the rear of the tank.

looks like arty fire took both vehicles out - the tank and the escorting BMP (left background).


35 posted on 05/05/2022 7:43:31 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Celtic Conservative

Prototypes exist. But it’s already 5 years behind the procurement schedule and some industry professionals doubt Russia’s ability to produce it.

Russia’s Uralvogonzavod shuts down production. It will no longer be able to assemble any T-72 tanks
https://twitter.com/MargoGontar/status/1515373221855608834

same goes for all other varieties, except the T-14 which is too expensive. Also needs tow trucks for its constant breakdowns.


36 posted on 05/05/2022 7:46:25 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: ßuddaßudd

is there a ballistics plate in that vest?


Too heavy. Left home.


37 posted on 05/05/2022 7:47:09 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: GonzoII
Russia Just Lost Its Most Advanced Operational Tank In Ukraine
The first confirmed loss of Russia’s most advanced operational tank is another blow to the Russian Army’s eroded image.
by Joseph Trevithick, Oliver Parken, Tyler Rogoway May 4, 2022 9:24 PM
38 posted on 05/05/2022 7:49:28 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: PIF

The BMP?

Had no idea what it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qONDdAC3dCA

Thanks for info


39 posted on 05/05/2022 9:01:23 AM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: PIF

Interesting, only Ukrainians refer to Russians as Orcs.

The thing is, if/when they run out of “stuff”, they may start lobbing nukes.


40 posted on 05/05/2022 10:08:35 AM PDT by Grey182 (Trump won, Benedict is still Pope & Jeffery Epstein didn't kill himself.)
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