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Advice in Answering Religious Accomodation Questions for COVID vaccines
SELF ^ | Oct 31 2021 | Uzumaki Naruto

Posted on 10/31/2021 7:38:34 PM PDT by uzumaki_naruto

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To: alexander_busek

@ alexander_busek

Those are good answers!


41 posted on 11/01/2021 9:56:17 AM PDT by uzumaki_naruto
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To: uzumaki_naruto
@ alexander_busek Those are good answers!

Thank you!

A basic problem of many people seems to be that they immediately assume, as a default attitude, that others are well meaning and acting in good faith.

That can give those "others" an unbelievable advantage if they aren't, indeed, "good actors."

In such cases, the first option is simply to "go limp" and be as unhelpful as possible - without actually signalling defiance or hostility.

Regards,

42 posted on 11/01/2021 9:59:30 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Cvengr

@ Cvengr

My lawyer said focus on religion...of course, there are a whole set of angles we can object this mandate.

I wonder how all the lawsuits will end up.


43 posted on 11/01/2021 10:00:07 AM PDT by uzumaki_naruto
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To: liberalh8ter
So now we have to take a religious litmus test to be “granted” a waiver from a forced vaccination. Our forefathers would be livid. Just answer repeatedly, first and fifth amendments because you know, at the end of the day, your answers will be used against you.

Excellent! Deserves repeating!

Regards,

44 posted on 11/01/2021 10:02:53 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: uzumaki_naruto
"7. Did you get your independent statement of faith or your personal statement or any portion of them off the internet?"

Are you incapable of offering them a statement of your faith at that particular juncture?

"Ladies and gentlemen, I appreciate your question, which asks whether my profession of faith is borrowed from others.

Yes, it is, my faith is borrowed from Galations 6:7: "Do not be misled: God is not mocked. For whatever a man might sow, that also he will reap.".

My faith is borrowed from those scientists who have admitted that J&J and AstraZeneca involved direct HEK-293T fetal-cell line development of their vaccines; and that Moderna used the HEK-293T fetal-cell line in early development; and that Pfizer may have only used HEK-293T fetal-cell lines in testing, but their outcome is the fruit of the poisoned tree, and must be discarded as commanded by God.

What man in America needs more than a simple statement confirming "I believe in sanctity of life itself." to somehow prove I am worthy of a 'religious exemption'? Is the 1st Amendment not enought for you?

Are you the new Pharisees? Do you genuinely believe that the State gives you the right to determine my religious 'virtue'? Based on an ancient Supreme Court decision which will certainly be overturned by the time this COVID disaster is over? Do you wish to be sued for this lie-ability individually?

Is it worth that much to you that I receive an experimental serum that I reject on faith and as such, cost me my livelihood; so that I may, in turn, destroy each of you personally in a court of law just a few years from now for having done the same thing to me? When does it end?

I assure you of two things, I will not receive this experimental serum precisely because it conflicts with my faith in God Almighty; and I swear by His Holy Name that I will be vindicated and made whole in the very near future."


45 posted on 11/01/2021 1:21:43 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (Each of you have at least ONE of these in your 401k: Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca, J&J, and MERCK)
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To: bhl
"If you’re at risk, say, over 50, you should seriously consider just taking a vaccine. Low risk of complications and high chance it prevents serious covid.

Don’t let misinformation you read here get you into a situation you might regret from a hospital bed.

Obviously, your choice. Won’t debate."

Of course you won't 'debate'. You're a hit-and-run coward.

If you’re at risk, bhl, say, over 50 and a complete and utter moron, you should seriously consider getting boosters 4,5,6,7,8. All at once. Resident Poopypants Asterisk in the White Hospice would be so proud of you. Maybe you can be the lead-in on MSNBC: "This man got all 12 boosters and then scolded FReepers. Next on Joyless Reid!"

Don’t let misinformation you read here get you into a situation you might get banned for spreading misinformation.

46 posted on 11/01/2021 1:27:15 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (Each of you have at least ONE of these in your 401k: Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca, J&J, and MERCK)
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To: alexander_busek

Hello everyone:

I went through the panel....nothing too much! I did say I took a vax long time ago but I don’t want it now...I said the Bible teaches us to take care of our bodies and I believe the vax are harmful...I don’t even take much pharmaceuticals.


47 posted on 11/01/2021 1:45:00 PM PDT by uzumaki_naruto
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To: StAnDeliver

I’m happy to debate this topic. I meant I won’t try to convince the original poster to make any particular medical decision.

If you think you’ve got a solution to covid that is better than the Trump vaccine and what the CDC says, you knock yourself out. It won’t be safer, cheaper, or as well understood.

Only one political party is dying disproportionally from COVID. And if that doesn’t bother you, it might be a good idea to ask yourself why not.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/27/briefing/covid-red-states-vaccinations.html


48 posted on 11/01/2021 2:03:55 PM PDT by bhl
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To: bhl
Pfizer is still being given under Emergency Use Authorization (EUA). Comirnaty isn’t available in this country and is still undergoing tests to evaluate its safety and efficacy; those tests have a deadline ranging from 2023 to 2025. What was approved by the FDA was the licensing right to use Comirnaty in place of the EUA shot when/if Comirnaty is finally approved. Stop listening to the CDC and swallowing whatever they tell you. They’re deliberately lying and obfuscating on a daily basis.

FYI, the only reason the EUA “vaccines” were allowed to be distributed was because the CDC disingenuously claimed there were no other medications/vaccines available to treat Covid. Therefore, if Comirnaty had been actually approved in August 2021, Moderna and J&J and all the other vaccines could no longer be given under the EUA — because there’d be an officially approved Pfizer injection called “Comirnaty” — and they’d be removed from the market until they came up with their own FDA approved vaccine. That hasn’t happened, which serves as further proof that the CDC is lying to us again. Take everything they say with a grain of salt and then do your own research, FFS!

49 posted on 11/01/2021 7:42:24 PM PDT by Prince of Space ( Let’s go, Brandon! )
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To: Prince of Space

Total BS that was debunked a month ago. You’re either willfully spreading disinformation or you’re woefully misinformed. Figure out which.


50 posted on 11/01/2021 8:34:43 PM PDT by bhl
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To: bhl

That post is spot on. You’re either a drug pusher, or authoritarian, or both.


51 posted on 11/01/2021 8:37:06 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (Without treasonous Republicans, the Democrats have zero power.)
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To: bhl
Please point to the news that it was debunked. Was it by CNN or the CDC?

I’d advise you to do your research as to how and why Emergency Use Authorization is given. It’s not possible to have a viable approved vaccine exist alongside other EUA vaccines. Moderna and J&J and AZ can no longer be utilized since Pfizer has gotten “vaccine” approval first.

Are you going to report me to the “misinformation police?” Who TF are you to decide what is true or untrue in this age of govt. propaganda?

52 posted on 11/02/2021 2:25:51 AM PDT by Prince of Space ( Let’s go, Brandon! )
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To: Prince of Space

How about I point to the FDA, which has the final say in FDA approvals. Not a chance I would point you to CNN.

The current Pfizer vaccine (known both as Comirnaty and Biontech) has full FDA approval for people 16 and up (No longer experimental use authorization.) Here is their statement:

https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/comirnaty-and-pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine

Biontech and Comirnaty are chemically and molecularly identical to each other. You were trying to say one is approved and the other isn’t. That is splitting hairs but ultimately a false premise. They’re the exact same thing—so whether the bottle says Biontech or Comirnaty, you’re getting the FDA approved vaccine. End of story. Here is the explanation.

https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/you-asked-we-answered-are-pfizers-comirnaty-and-biontech-covid-19-vaccines-the-same-or-different

What authoritative source says that Biontech hasn’t been approved? Or that Moderna and J&J can’t be utilized? Sounds like you’re trying to argue a hypothetical. Everyone can have their choice of any of the three vaccines (1 approved, 2 EUA), or none if they want.

But I get it.. its hard to accept new facts that don’t align with your world view. Cognitive bias is a real thing. Wish you well.


53 posted on 11/02/2021 2:38:57 PM PDT by bhl
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To: bhl
Biontech and Comirnaty are chemically and molecularly identical to each other.

Even *IF* true, so what. Legally they’re different, which makes them without question, different. One of the main differences is that the Comirnaty does not protect the manufacturer from legal liability from patient damages. However the currently administered Pfizer vaccine is protected from liability. And FDA rules prohibit a vaccine from being formally approved, but not liable, proving again they are not the same.

54 posted on 11/03/2021 12:02:05 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (Without treasonous Republicans, the Democrats have zero power.)
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To: Golden Eagle

Sure, they are legally different. And you’re probably right there is some liability differences. But there is no *IF* about them being chemically the same.


55 posted on 11/03/2021 1:56:54 PM PDT by bhl
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To: bhl
there is no *IF* about them being chemically the same.

Based on what, your “Nebraska Med” link? Hardly authoritative.

So what’s behind the supposed delay in it being a available, even assuming the propaganda that they’re the same? Broken printer that can’t print labels? Or illegally hiding behind the legal protection the old name provides? You think this phony shell game is credible? Might speak to your credibility.

56 posted on 11/03/2021 2:36:05 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (Without treasonous Republicans, the Democrats have zero power.)
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To: Golden Eagle

The Pfizer web site (and vaccine label) says the two drugs have the same formulation and are interchangeable.

Read: How is Comirnaty (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) related to the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine?

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/qa-comirnaty-covid-19-vaccine-mrna

Unless you have evidence there is a difference, I’d check the mirror as to who is wearing the tinfoil hat regarding my credibility.


57 posted on 11/03/2021 3:27:38 PM PDT by bhl
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To: bhl

You didn’t answer the question. WHY are these vaccines being labeled differently, making them legally different, if it’s even true they are they same formula? All those billions they’re making and they can’t print new labels? The vaccines they’re administering now were recently made and labeled, so what’s your excuse?


58 posted on 11/03/2021 8:35:33 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (Without treasonous Republicans, the Democrats have zero power.)
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To: Golden Eagle

I don’t know. Marketing is the stated reason, but liability or legal issues is a good guess. But there you go doubting the FDA who states clearly the formulation is the same. Knock off the conspiracy garbage and back up your claims with hard data and/or authoritative sources. When you can’t, just admit it.


59 posted on 11/03/2021 10:10:33 PM PDT by bhl
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To: bhl

Biontech is actually a German biotech firm that worked with Pfizer to develop the Covid-19 vaccine. Biontech may have been the firm that actually developed the vaccine, with Pfizer handling the testing and manufacturing. Comirnaty is just the brand name chosen by Pfizer and Biontech once the vaccine was approved by the FDA and was no longer under the EUA.


60 posted on 11/03/2021 11:08:35 PM PDT by Pelham (Q is short for quack)
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