Posted on 07/20/2021 8:27:09 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
That would mean half or more of people will be dead within the year - then we are all dead already, complete collapse of society.
Lambda variant? That is so gay.
RE: Percentage of vaccinated in UK hospitals corrected to 40%.
The promise was that the vaccines would at least make any infections mild or asymptomatic and prevent death from Covid.
Now they’re telling us 40% of those hospitalized are vaccinated!
That’s a broken promise. And they expect us to trust them?
That is what we are seeing on the ground. Several docs I know in widely differing geographic areas are all seeing a younger in added crowd in the hospital and few if any already vaccinated people
People have been talking about it for weeks.
Actually, it is somewhat re-assuring. In the age groups most likely to be hospitalized (age 65+) about 92% have been vaccinated. In other words, only 8% have NOT been vaccinated, but the unvaccinated are 60% of the hospitalized, so people are 7.5 times more likely to be hospitalized if they have not been vaccinated.
Of course, the actual difference in probability of hospitalization is probably lower because people from the younger age groups may also be hospitalized, and the younger age groups are less vaccinated.
Sure you are...
Really?
I guess that shows just how out of touch I am with lots of things.
1. Most UKers received Astrazeneca.
2. Hospitalization and death figures are trailing indicators. It will be a couple of weeks before we know for sure if the upswing in delta cases will yield a corresponding upswing in serious cases. Anecdotal evidence certainly indicates that it won’t.
“40% vaccinated in the UK and only 1% here? Somebody be lying.”
The difference can be somewhat explained by the widespread use of the AstraZeneca/Oxford vaccine in the UK (which is less effective than the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines - AZ vaccine is not used in the USA), and also the policy that the UK had, of delaying second shots (16 weeks or more), to get more people their first shots sooner. That worked well against the original strain or Kent (Alpha) variant (and no doubt saved lives back then), but the first AZ shot is only 30-something percent effective against Delta. The Pfizer first shot is significantly more effective against Delta.
The UK has now shifted over to primarily using Pfizer, and has made second shots available after three weeks, in response to Delta.
I wonder if this article was published today, to calm the financial markets.
Yesterday saw big drops in stocks, starting in Europe over fears of the impact of Delta, and spreading to the USA when our markets opened yesterday. The Dow had its biggest loss of the year.
US COVID stats were delayed over the weekend, but the British numbers were bad. We will see how the US COVID stats look today. Clearly a Delta wave has been starting here in America, and it is getting into steeper climbing part of the curve.
So far, it seems that we will see far higher climb in cases than deaths (lower case fatality rates), as did the UK, thanks to vaccination generally, and to vaccinating the most vulnerable particularly.
RE: It seems that we will see far higher climb in cases than deaths (lower case fatality rates), as did the UK, thanks to vaccination generally, and to vaccinating the most vulnerable particularly.
In the UK, their science minister tweeted that 40% of their Covid hospitalizations are VACCINATED patients. The promise given when the vaccines came out was that the vaccinated, even if infected, will only have mild to asymptomatic cases and definitely NOT DIE of Covid. This recent turn of events does not give us much confidence in the vaccines.
RE: The Pfizer first shot is significantly more effective against Delta.
How is Israel coping, given the fact that they are one of the world’s most vaccinated country and they use Pfizer as their main vaccine?
It looks like the Lambda (Peruvian) variant is more infectious than the original strain, or the Alpha (UK) variant - but less than the Delta (Indian) variant.
The Delta variant is already dominant in all fifty States in the USA. It will likely burn through the remaining unvaccinated, before Lambda can get established here.
If they are both around for some time, Delta will still out-compete Lambda for the percentage of cases.
The Herd Immunity Threshold for Delta to stop spreading, is higher than than what will choke off Lambda (or the other identified Variants of Concern, or Interest).
Delta should be the last wave, burning up the remaining fuel, after the earlier waves, and vaccinations.
Let’s just wait and see, the UK and Israel have been ahead of us by a few weeks since the scam started and the Majority of thier “Delta” patients hospitalized are FULLY VACCINATED with the DNA Altering fake vaccine.
(FTA....This is all excellent news, as is the finding that 99% of hospitalizations for Covid-19 are among unvaccinated people....)
Yes.....odd how you’re only *protected* from hospitalization if you’re American ‘vax’d.
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Yeah, right.
Who wrote this WSJ drivel? Baghdad Bob?
“In the UK, their science minister tweeted that 40% of their Covid hospitalizations are VACCINATED patients. “
And yet UK adults (virtually all, if not all hospitalized COVID patients) are much more than 40% vaccinated.
According to the BBC yesterday ():
“So far, more than 46 million people have had a first vaccine dose - almost 90% of the adult population - and more than 36 million - around two-thirds of adults - have had both doses.”
That means that a quarter of their adult population is in the vulnerable partially vaccinated category - particularly less protected from the Delta variant, when it is a single shot of AstraZeneca, as it is for most in the UK.
It also means that the completely unvaccinated 10% of adults, account for 60% of hospitalizations.
And even that is not a comparative random sample comparing vaccinated to unvaccinated, because the most vulnerable are significantly more vaccinated.
Even the less effective AstraZeneca/Oxford vaccine shows very strong effectiveness. Pfizer and Moderna are clearly even more effective, against all known strains.
“How is Israel coping, given the fact that they are one of the world’s most vaccinated country and they use Pfizer as their main vaccine?
Pretty much as predicted, by the measured effectiveness of the vaccines.
Pfizer has an effectiveness (fully vaccinated) in the high 80’s% against Delta. Half of Israel’s cases are amongst minors, who are not vaccinated there (except for rare co-morbidities).
About half of the Adult cases (1/4 of total cases) are among vaccinated Adults. In Israel, about 90% of Adults have a first shot, about 80% are fully vaccinated. The 10% unvaccinated make up about half of Adult cases. I have not seen info on how much of the vaccinated cases are from among those with only a first shot.
Total numbers are low across the Country - they are now a low incidence Nation, whereas they were a high incidence Nation before vaccination.
As you increase in severity, from cases to hospitalizations to deaths, the protective effect of the vaccines becomes more pronounced, in Israel, as it does everywhere else.
You are quite consistent in not allowing facts and truth to affect what you say.
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