Windows 11 Build 22000.51: Everything you need to know

Windows Central ^ | 6 Jul 2021 | Mauro Huculak

[Pikachu_Dad]

Meanwhile, I have to get my IT people to figure out what that last Windoze 10 update broke on my computer.

Thanks bill.

[daniel1212]

" USB Wireless works under one of two conditions: 1. Purchase an AC1200 based USB Wireless Card; 2. Learn how to compile the driver using MAKE (assuming the mfr has the Linux code available)"

Both my adapters are 802.11ac, 8811CU11 and 8812BU and both are supported as far back as Vista, thus should be supported out of the box under any OS, and having to compile my own driver simply does not translate into "desktop ready" and I am not that much in need. Installing Linux on this old Dell Optiplex 755 (2.33Ghz CPU and 4GB ram) is a rainy day project right now.

[daniel1212]

"This tread is about Windows, not Linux."

But that means competition😀!

[Reily]

Same here. My rule-of-thumb was always to assume double the recommended memory & storage requirements. I did that and never a problem.

[Openurmind]

Thank you for sharing that, I think you are having a unique situation with that machine. I know I have installed 18.3 on ten machines personally, and helped others with around 30 more. And another 10 with 20.x. All with absolutely no problems except for one that had this similar issue. It was something with that one machine not allowing Linux to do it’s thing as it should.

[Openurmind]

OK, This is probably a dumb question because I am sure you did... I am going to guess that you have already had the Driver Manager in the settings run a diagnostic with a device plugged in?

I have found sometimes it will not find an issue unless a non-working device is already plugged in first before it checks. Some BIOS will not do this either, I had that issue with my ASUS.

Anyhow, I am off to town, catch up later. :)

Thank you for the time to share, Be good to make it work for you. :)

[daniel1212]

"Thank you for sharing that, I think you are having a unique situation with that machine."

No:" complaints about Linux, including Mint, not detecting USB wireless adapters abound, but the only solution (apart from a particular Laptop remedy) I have found requires an Internet connection to fix the problem of no Internet connection.

[Openurmind]

Oh I see the problem now... Can you hardwire it to your router with LAN? Just long enough to do that? I can tether to my phone data as a modem and connect if you have that capability available? If even temporarily to grab the drivers.

[antidemoncrat]

Just another hackable version of Windows?

[daniel1212]

"OK, This is probably a dumb question because I am sure you did... I am going to guess that you have already had the Driver Manager in the settings run a diagnostic with a device plugged in?"

The Mint 20.2 Driver Manager runs a scan when you start it up and reports no drivers are needed. The system does not even know that there are 2 USB network adapters plugged in. I also tried Fedora (buggy) and Neon user (which offered more options) and Xubutu XFCE, plus fossapup64-9.5 - which actually is the most user-helpful - but still no configuration.

Now there are plenty of solutions that involve sudo apt update, but that itself requires a Internet connection and depends upon which basic flavor of Linux one is using, and which I could enable such as by bring the box to another room and trying each solution. However, there should be a simple single executable file (no complicating compiling) that works, that I could put on a USB and point Linux to - if it even would automatically detect the adapter. At least if Linux is to be promoted as "desktop ready."

[daniel1212]

"Oh I see the problem now... Can you hardwire it to your router with LAN? Just long enough to do that? I can tether to my phone data as a modem and connect if you have that capability available? If even temporarily to grab the drivers."

See above reply. This simply should not be necessary for such basic essential devices. Not in 2021.

[usconservative]

Both my adapters are 802.11ac, 8811CU11 and 8812BU and both are supported as far back as Vista, thus should be supported out of the box under any OS

Only if the manufacturer provides the appropriate OS driver for it. Your statement that Linux should support an adapter more than 10+ years old out of the box is incorrect.

BTW, it's the legacy support for everything that keeps Windows from being as good of an OS as Mac and Linux.

[daniel1212]

"When I was still working (as a support engineer for a Wintel enterprise company) I still routinely checked in on Linux distros. My main stumbling block was broadband wireless. As a road warrior my chief requirement was the ability to remain connected while on my rounds. So when Ubuntu or Mint (or most of the other major players) would announce a new build I would load it onto a machine and see if I could get my broadband cards to work. They never failed to disappoint and I would go back to my Windows machine. Now that I am retired I no longer have access to broadband networking so it isn’t a requirement for me. I do still have a Mint laptop that I use for web surfing but my file server, my media server, my audio workstation, and my video workstation all run on Windows."

Yes, though the main issue, besides the vast number of distro flavors," is the lack of drivers by manufacturers for Linux.

[daniel1212]

" Only if the manufacturer provides the appropriate OS driver for it. Your statement that Linux should support an adapter more than 10+ years old out of the box is incorrect."

No, the adapters are not 10 years old (more like 2) but there are drivers for such that go back as far as Vista.

" BTW, it's the legacy support for everything that keeps Windows from being as good of an OS as Mac and Linux."

Rather, as Linux forums well attest relative to the small percentage of Linux users, it is the lack of compatibility in Linux, plus the lack of comparable software for customization (without learning to code), that keeps Windows from being as good of an OS as Windows.

[usconservative]

No, the adapters are not 10 years old (more like 2) but there are drivers for such that go back as far as Vista.

It makes zero sense that anyone would write drivers for an OS that isn't even supported by its vendor (Microsoft) for a two year old adapter.

You may have purchased that adapter two years ago, the likelihood that it was designed, engineered and produced much longer ago than that is evident, IMO.

Combined with the fact that your adapter's maker doesn't appear to make a driver for it should tell you its incompatible with Linux. I don't understand why you're complaining if you have a piece of hardware that you know isn't compatible with Linux?

You may as well be complaining that your USB wi-fi adapter isn't compatible with a Commodore 64.

[daniel1212]

Edit, “that keeps Linux from being as good of an OS as Windows” for the desktop. But mobile devices help show what could be done if focused a few distros and without restrictions of GNU licensing, as helpful as that is.

[usconservative]

Rather, as Linux forums well attest relative to the small percentage of Linux users, it is the lack of compatibility in Linux, plus the lack of comparable software for customization (without learning to code), that keeps Windows from being as good of an OS as Windows.

I think you meant to say "keeps Linux from being as good of an OS as Windows."

That said, Linux isn't for everyone. No one denies that. Linux has its use cases the same way Windows has its use cases.

If you're an end user who wants to plug in a device and have it "just work" chances are you're buying a Mac.

If you're an end user who needs to use software that's primarily Microsoft based and have a relatively recent computer and peripherals, then you're going to go Windows. It actually does a pretty decent job keeping most hardware drivers up to date with the most current OS though there are times hardware will stop working because that device's manufacturer stopped supporting the device and creating drivers for it. (I have a printer and webcam that fit into this category.)

If you're an end user capable of doing some minimal code, or an engineer such as I am and need to perform engineering specific tasks using customized software and code then chances are you're going Linux.

BTW, the Canon Printer and Logitech USB Webcam above that Windows no longer supports as of Win10 are perfectly supported and functional on my Ubuntu Linux 21.04 desktop. Go figure.

[daniel1212]

" It makes zero sense that anyone would write drivers for an OS that isn't even supported by its vendor (Microsoft) for a two year old adapter. You may have purchased that adapter two years ago, the likelihood that it was designed, engineered and produced much longer ago than that is evident, IMO."

Vista support could be as backward compatible, and the RTL8812BU Software is for 32bit/64bit Windows7, Windows8.1, Windows10 from 2017 and as it works well with the latter OS than it should be supported by Linux in the interest of relevancy. See a highly rated Realtek RTL8812BU USB Wireless Adapter 1200 Mbps with 5 dBi Antenna Dual Band AC1200 here, which actually lists Linux as supporting it (and Vista thru Windows 110) . Likewise this USB Wireless Adapter 600Mbps Realtek RTL8811CU lists lists Linux as supporting it, so I do not know why none of the distros I have tried even show mine as detected.

"Combined with the fact that your adapter's maker doesn't appear to make a driver for it should tell you its incompatible with Linux. I don't understand why you're complaining if you have a piece of hardware that you know isn't compatible with Linux?"

Rather, if you are going to promote a OS as desktop ready - including for older PCs as it often is - then it ought to do what the competition does out of the box for a very common essential hardware device. And while it appears there are drivers for these adapters (one of the adapters listed above has them on a CD) yet since Linux does not even show them as detected in its very sparse Device manager, then it already is behind its rival out of the box. That said, for the other speedy PC I installed Mint on, I did find a USB wireless adapter that it did detect and configure.

[usconservative]

Vista support could be as backward compatible,

Fair point.

and the RTL8812BU Software is for 32bit/64bit Windows7, Windows8.1, Windows10 from 2017 and as it works well with the latter OS than it should be supported by Linux in the interest of relevancy.

"In the interest of relevancy" is pretty subjective and your opinion.

Likewise this USB Wireless Adapter 600Mbps Realtek RTL8811CU lists lists Linux as supporting it, so I do not know why none of the distros I have tried even show mine as detected.

Probably because not everything is "plug and play" in Linux. Saying a Realtek RTL8811CU based adapter is supported in Linux may also mean the end consumer will need to download the code for it, run some simple commands to compile it and then make it available to the OS.

Based on the Realtek RTL8811CU adapter you have, I located those instructions for you. They seem fairly simple to me with the commands needed to run included along with the output expected.

Here you go, give this a try.

Good luck!

[daniel1212]

" I think you meant to say "keeps Linux from being as good of an OS as Windows." That said, Linux isn't for everyone. No one denies that. Linux has its use cases the same way Windows has its use cases. "

Very true. My objection is to the blithe response to every Windows thread to "just install Linux" as that would typically be the solution.

"If you're an end user who wants to plug in a device and have it "just work" chances are you're buying a Mac."

When you determine what hardware components are in$talled then it prevents a lot of issues, but that does not make it a more workable solution in costs.

"If you're an end user who needs to use software that's primarily Microsoft based and have a relatively recent computer and peripherals, then you're going to go Windows. It actually does a pretty decent job keeping most hardware drivers up to date with the most current OS though there are times hardware will stop working because that device's manufacturer stopped supporting the device and creating drivers for it. (I have a printer and webcam that fit into this category.)"

And my old LIDE USB scanner!

"BTW, the Canon Printer and Logitech USB Webcam above that Windows no longer supports as of Win10 are perfectly supported and functional on my Ubuntu Linux 21.04 desktop. Go figure."

And Mint automatically detected and enabled printing to our Brother L2395 laser printer without me doing anything, to my glad supprise.