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Kansas Bill Would Make Gold and Silver Legal Tender in the State
Schiff Gold ^ | 21 February 2021 | MICHAEL MAHARREY

Posted on 02/22/2021 12:45:11 PM PST by amorphous

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To: philman_36
Congress set the value. A fatal flaw in our monetary system, IMO. Same with the value of gold, way-back-when. And nowadays, the value of both gold and silver appears to be artificially manipulated by governments, bullion, and central banks.

Humankind has a knack for creating existential threats to itself for some reason (e.g., government, money, nuclear weapons, electricity, internet, etc.). Some of which, these days, life itself depends upon its existence.

61 posted on 02/22/2021 3:12:37 PM PST by amorphous
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To: M Kehoe

Especially old Freepers.

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62 posted on 02/22/2021 3:25:29 PM PST by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is. )
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To: EnderWiggin1970

“But in 2021 shiny rocks are not the answer.”

Electrons which can vanish the second the power goes out certainly aren’t.

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63 posted on 02/22/2021 3:28:32 PM PST by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is. )
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To: gundog

People would need to know a lot more about coins.
As far as purity and fakes, there are devices that can determine the metal based on unique conductivity.


64 posted on 02/22/2021 3:37:13 PM PST by grumpygresh (Civil disobedience by jury nullification. )
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To: Lurker
Today’s silver spot price is about $28. There are 28 grams to the ounce. 10 gram round, $10. It’s called “math”.

Well, no Lurker, there's 31.1 grams to the ounce of silver. You gonna call me names now?

65 posted on 02/22/2021 3:37:27 PM PST by misanthrope (Deranged, sinister, deplorable troll)
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To: misanthrope

That’s a Troy ounce. Easy enough to convert to avoirdupois. (Look it up).

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66 posted on 02/22/2021 3:42:31 PM PST by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is. )
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To: amorphous

During the Civil War, Salmon P. Chase had printed lots of Greenbacks and had them declared the equivalent of legal money.

A few years later, Salmon P. Chase now on the SCOTUS, declared ONLY GOLD AND SILVER as legal money.


67 posted on 02/22/2021 3:55:40 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar ((Democrats have declared us to be THE OBSOLETE MAN in the Twilight Zone.))
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To: Lurker

Only if they are REAL SILVER quarters, dimes, half dollars, and dollars.


68 posted on 02/22/2021 3:57:07 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar ((Democrats have declared us to be THE OBSOLETE MAN in the Twilight Zone.))
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Of course.

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69 posted on 02/22/2021 3:59:28 PM PST by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is. )
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To: amorphous

Hehe, I sort of did the reverse. Held a gold ETF for seven years as a defensive investment in my Roth IRA. I am typically pretty aggressive, so I just wanted something enough to fund “tickets on the last plane out” if it came to it. After seven years it was down 40% and I knew I was wasting my time.

Switched into GBTC in 2015 and got out in mid-2017 with a 1800% gain. But only because I was launching a self-directed IRA which then gained another 1000% before the peak in December.

I got into crypto in 2014 with a few thousand $/year invested from a middle-class income. By the end of 2017 I was founding one of the first crypto-endowed private charitable foundations. (Of course it lost 90% the following year, but things are back better than ever now. ;-)

Crypto is a wonderful tool for resisting leftist, totalitarian government and the surveillance state if used properly. And many of the projects in the crypto space are helpful to our cause. For examples, Presearch (presearch.org) which provides alternatives and a way to get away from the bias and censorship at Google, and Basic Attention Token (BAT) and the Brave web browser. And then there is Civic, which protects privacy while providing a digital identity that could be just what we need for honest elections and similar needs.


70 posted on 02/22/2021 4:22:28 PM PST by EnderWiggin1970
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To: amorphous
Congress set the value. A fatal flaw in our monetary system, IMO.

Wrong on several levels.

First, one major problem is that Congress hasn't SET the value. Not since the US was taken off the gold standard, that is.

Second, problems began with printing more dollars than there was gold enough in the treasury to back the paper.

Third, the Segway to taking us off the gold standard was the dilution of the content of our coins in 1965.

71 posted on 02/22/2021 4:31:33 PM PST by amorphous
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To: amorphous

Interesting. Hope more states will do this...


72 posted on 02/22/2021 4:34:10 PM PST by Deplorable American1776 (Rest In Peace, Rush H. Limbaugh III. You are missed already...)
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To: amorphous
Congress set the value.

Academic at this point.
Even the old 95% copper penny has more value than the copper clad zinc rounds we have for pennies today.
I used to get a piece of candy for a penny as a kid. Now I get one piece for a nickel.
Could I get a piece of candy for a penny again using an old 95% copper penny? See? The face value set by Congress is a penny. It's metal composition is its real value now. Vendors should set the exchange rate.
(rare coins of high numismatic value exempted)

My concern is a means of using real coins in today's market place, especially pre-1965 coins.

For anyone following the conversation...THE LAW!

Coinage Act of April 2, 1792

SEC. 9. And be it further enacted, That there shall be from time to time struck and coined at the said mint, coins of gold, silver, and copper, of the following denominations, values and descriptions, viz.
Eagles — each to be of the value of ten dollars or units, and to contain two hundred fort-seven grains and four eighths of a grain of pure, or two hundred and seventy grains of standard gold.
Half eagles — each to be of the value of five dollars, and to contain one hundred and twenty three grains and six eights of a grain of pure, or one hundred and thirty five grains of standard gold.
Quarter Eagles — each to be of the value of two dollars and a half dollar, and to contain sixty one grains and seven eights of a grain of pure, or sixty seven grains and four eights of a grain of standard gold.
Dollars or the same is now current, and to contain three hundred and seventy-one grains and four sixteenth parts of a grain of pure, or four hundred and sixteen grains of standard silver,
Half Dollars — each to be of half the value of the dollar or unit, and to contain one hundred and eighty-five grains and ten sixteenth parts of a grain of pure, or two hundred and eights of a grain of standard silver.
Quarter Dollars — each to be of one fourth the value of the dollar or unit, and to contain ninety-two grains and thirteen sixteenth parts of a grain of pure, or one hundred and four grains of standard silver.
Dismes — each to be of the value of one tenth of a dollar or unit, and to contain thirty seven grains and two sixteenth parts of a grain of pure, or forty one grains and three fifth parts of a grain of standard silver.
Half Dismes — each to be of the value of one twentieth of a dollar, and to contain eighteen grains and nine sixteenth parts of a grain of pure, or twenty grains and four fifth parts of a grain of standard silver.
Cents — each to be of the value of the one hundredth part of a dollar, and to contain eleven penny-weights of copper.
Half Cents — each to be of the value of half a cent, and to contain five penny-weights and half a penny-weight of copper.

73 posted on 02/22/2021 4:43:05 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: grumpygresh
As far as purity and fakes, there are devices that can determine the metal based on unique conductivity.

Sounds like somebody has been to a pawn shop.

74 posted on 02/22/2021 4:46:29 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
Congress set the value.

I was correcting myself after the light went on. You're way ahead of me, and most others, on this. Kudos for posting the law. There is one issue I see. That is trying to use various substances (gold, silver, copper, ...) for the same denominations.

I don't see an issue using various substances as money, just trying to use them for some arbitrary denomination creates a problem with value. The value of multiple elements will vary in a free market environment.

Instead of establishing a national denomination, i.e., the dollar, the yuan, the pound, let us use mass by element. Say 1 ounce or 28.35 grams of gold eagles/silver eagles (in the US), etc. Other countries could call them Maple Leaves, as long as we use common masses and purity - grams probably.

Further, markets must set the value of the elements, not government or the money changers.

Anything other than physical will need a third-party trust arrangement. Governments prove through history to be utterly unreliable after a while. Eventually even hiding what they have on hand from their people.

When you can schedule our first meeting with the world's leaders, let me know so that we may begin to revamp the world's monetary system! :)

75 posted on 02/22/2021 5:25:13 PM PST by amorphous
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To: amorphous
Simple solution...eliminate the Federal Reserve and coin money again.

Nobody is saying it will be an easy solution.

Easy and simple aren't synonymous.

76 posted on 02/22/2021 6:39:19 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Lurker

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/silversqueeze-hits-london-slv-warns-limited-40 hunt brothers high for silver would be $160 today silver kills 600 human pathogens without toxicity...makes electric car batteries 500% more efficient..needed for solar panels it’s short 184-1 https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2021/02/09/2172210/0/en/THC-Therapeutics-Has-Begun-the-Process-of-Acquiring-A-Significant-Amount-of-Physical-Silver-Bullion.html .


77 posted on 02/22/2021 7:11:39 PM PST by Therapsid (eagan )
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To: philman_36

“Easy and simple aren’t synonymous.”

Been saying this for years.

Glad to see someone else around here gets it.

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78 posted on 02/22/2021 7:15:19 PM PST by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is. )
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To: philman_36
Easy and simple aren't synonymous.

Neither is survival. What we have now represents an existential threat to civilization.

Just do it!

79 posted on 02/22/2021 7:31:29 PM PST by amorphous
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To: EnderWiggin1970
That's a funny and interesting story. Thank you for sharing your experience. I agree Crypto is a wonderful technology in the right hands - the hands of the people. It can sort of eliminate the need for so many middlemen governments and money changers to a degree.

Best regards and wishes for great luck in all of your endeavors!

80 posted on 02/22/2021 7:45:58 PM PST by amorphous
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