Posted on 09/23/2020 4:15:36 PM PDT by Hojczyk
You are posting utter BS, you obviously KNOW NOTHING about this case and should probably do some investigating of the facts before shooting your mouth off!!
Just from recent reports. I have not yet researched this incident as I usually, just don’t have time right now.
What do I have wrong?
Except that is not what happened.
I have researched many of these cases pretty thoroughly but not this one. What have I posted that is BS?
Ok, what happened? What did I get wrong?
Start at minute 8.
Ok, I watched the entire conference with the AG and it does not change anything. I stand by every word I have said so far in this case. So again what happened that I got wrong?
I have watched the full presentation by the AG at the link supplied by the another poster. I still stand by everything I have said so far. Again what have I posted that is BS ?
Listen you fool. It's true anyone could take a shot a cop and get killed. Moral, don't shoot at the police and you won't get killed. Get it dufus?
This is irrelevant and changes nothing. What must be stopped is the police using forcible entry to serve a warrant either by no knock, or with an announcement. In a nutshell we should never be breaking down doors of a home to serve a warrant for any reason. There is simply no compelling reason to put innocent lives at risk by conducting property searches in this manner. Police always cite possible destruction of evidence but with todays technology that is utter nonsense.
The police should be required to communicate with any occupants of the property that they are the police and they have a warrant to search. If they don't get an answer THEY WAIT, period. They wait until someone comes out or someone attempts to go in. Then they present the warrant. If that simple requirement were in effect this women would be alive and political opportunists would not be handed their agenda on a silver platter.
Senator Rand Paul has put forth a bill to ban no knock warrants and I support this bill fully. That being said it will need to be reinforced with even further restrictions that prevents forcible entry if an announcement is made but is not acknowledged by anyone at the residence. This is a no brainer folks and should have been stopped a long time ago.
When the AG was taking questions I was pleased to hear a reporter ask the elephant in the room question. The reporter said they interviewed a dozen residents of the apartment complex and found only one who reported to hear the police "announcement". She then asked if this was enough? This "raid" was late an night and the occupants could have been asleep, is the enough?
Clearly the reporter is hitting on the crux of the issue. No announcement is sufficient if no response is received. There are countless reasons why someone inside may not hear the announcement. They could be sound asleep, in the shower, listening to music on headphones, making passionate love, etc etc etc. Only to have their door violently broken down and instantly gunned down by the police who suddenly have to defend themselves while breaking into someones home.
This is a no brainer folks.
Except the person who actually got shot five times and killed did NOT take a shot at the police and was in fact unarmed.
Second, in the United States you have a right to self defense. If someone breaks into your home you are well within your right to defend yourself, which is exactly what this man was doing when he shot at the police. He even stated he fired first. The police and the DA obviously agreed as he is not being charged.
I am not sure what are the facts and I was hoping you could direct me. Since I posted, I have ran into some interesting information. The latest is the officer’s bullets went into the next apartment and was the basis for the endangerment charges against him. Shooting Breonna Taylor was not in the decision by the grand jury.
I looked at the Tatum report. The text was small and much of it was conversation text. I tried to enlarge the text with Ctrl + and it did not help. It looks like there is much evidence with drug activity and Breonna Taylor was mixed up with it. The illegal drug industry seems to be at work messing up the Black culture. It is at the root of all of it.
The warrant was reviewed and confirmed by a sitting judge.
The warrant was lawful.
The officers did nothing wrong, except the one officer acted with negligence by reckless shooting, where bullets entered another address.
I'm starting to pay attention on this but still have not done much digging so I doubt I have any more than you.
It has been reported that it was the ex boyfriend who was the person of interest aka suspected drug dealer. Reportedly he was using Taylors address as his and had a package delivered there. He then was then seen picking up the package from her apartment. I guess the police suspected she was in on it and would find drugs at her apartment. That did not happen.
What is not being said but must be inferred is that the DA and the police feel Taylor's boyfriend kenneth Walker has a solid case for self defense and thus dropped any charges against him. This is telling as the police claim to have announced their presence before violently breaking down the door and entering. Walker claims he heard no such announcement and only fired one shot whereas the police fired somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 or more rounds killing the one person in the apartment who was unarmed. I tend to believe Walker at this point. A reporter stated they interviewed a dozen residents and found only one that heard any announcement of police. The problem here of course is that this resident may have heard "Police!" AFTER they broke down the door and entered. This would explain Walker not knowing it was the police before they broke down the door. I suspect the DA is thinking the same thing and has doubts as to how much of a chance these cops gave the occupants of that apartment to respond before violently entering the home.
For the record. I have not said these cops should have been charged with murder or anything else. They are only doing what WE the people are allowing them to do. Prosecuting these cops will not bring Breonna back and more importantly will not stop this from happening again and again and again as it has for years now. What I suggest is that we stop the police from serving warrants by force for any reason. No more no knock warrants and no forcible entry if they do not receive a response from the occupants of the home. If they don't receive a response they wait, period. There is just no reason to risk lives of officers and citizens in the sanctity of their homes. Drug dealers can be arrested in many different places and even at home but we must stop the police from breaking down doors for good.
One poster here seemed pretty upset that I suggested this could happen to anyone on this thread and unfortunately it could very easily. Breaking down doors to serve warrants is unreasonable and needs to stop now.
You make very good points. Thank you
Ok don't shoot at the cops and you will have 99.9999% chance of not getting shot. My bad.
Second, in the United States you have a right to self defense. If someone breaks into your home you are well within your right to defend yourself, which is exactly what this man was doing when he shot at the police. He even stated he fired first. The police and the DA obviously agreed as he is not being charged.
It wasn't just "someone". The police clearly identified themselves and many neighbors could hear it. He should be charged. The guy, like you, is an idiot.
I think they paid it before coming out with the real data in order to try to assuage those who are now trying to destroy the city and kill the cops...
It wasn't just "someone". The police clearly identified themselves and many neighbors could hear it. He should be charged. The guy, like you, is an idiot. "
Stand Your Ground/Castle doctrine still applies if it can be shown the home owner did not know it was the police who were entering the home and is thus still considered self defense. There has been more than one case here in Texas where a home owner shot and even killed a police officer entering because it could not be proven that the home owner heard the announcement and believed a home invasion type robbery was happening. Cases like this can and have been determined to be self defense and this one is no different. I'm not sure where you are getting the "many neighbors" could hear it information. The police claimed the announcement was heard by ONE specific civilian not more than one. This is stated by the DA in the video link you provided. More importantly at the end of the DA's conference a reporter says to the DA, she has interviewed a dozen residents of the apartment complex and could fine only ONE person who lived directly above Taylor who said they heard "police" on the night of the shooting. The reporter then asks the question, in the middle of the night is a simple announcement of police enough when the occupants could be sound asleep. The DA is obviously aware the police announcement may not have been adequate. Couple this with the fact the occupant (Walker) fired only one shot with a legally owned firearm as the police broke down the door and you have a pretty consistent case for self defense.
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