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Beyond the Fermi Paradox V: What is the Aestivation Hypothesis?
Universe Today ^ | Matt Williams

Posted on 08/08/2020 2:27:32 PM PDT by MtnClimber

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To: MtnClimber
lovely plumage aliens !
21 posted on 08/08/2020 3:18:08 PM PDT by Reily
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To: PIF
Out of the 50 trillion galaxies, each with 300,000,000 stars, each star having at least one planet, there are millions, billions of civilizations ... all hiding.

This hypothesis has many problems itself.

It sounds clever, but how do they know they need to hide?

What is the purpose of killing off other civilizations, when there is no gain from it?

I could may be see conquest. But you are hypothesizing just silly extermination.

22 posted on 08/08/2020 3:19:41 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: MtnClimber

No way aliens will come to earth to interfere with us. We’re too much fun to watch.

“Earthlings engage in the most random of activities! Op, op, op!!!”


23 posted on 08/08/2020 3:20:56 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: MtnClimber
We are victims of low intelligence and technology deficit.

The aliens are all around us, watching and communicating with each other in a manner we don't even know exists.

Tachyons, neutrinos, hyperspace, who knows? We don't.

And, they're making fun of us right in our faces, laughing at us, mocking us...

24 posted on 08/08/2020 3:28:36 PM PDT by ZOOKER (Until further notice the /s is implied...)
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To: MtnClimber

Oh they are out there, watching us.

Earth is a galactic reality tv show.

/southpark


25 posted on 08/08/2020 3:29:40 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: marktwain

Q: how do they know they need to hide?
A: observation

Q: What is the purpose of killing off other civilizations, when there is no gain from it?
A: wrong conclusion. Killing off others leaves more resources for the victor to harvest.

Q:I could may be see conquest.
A: conquest means bringing assets to bear on a particular target in such numbers that everyone else will notice

But you are hypothesizing just silly extermination.
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Does the lion exterminate antelope (for instance) or just stalk and kill the weak who are exposed and cannot flee? One pride will drive off and kill another in competition for territory. Just use the laws of nature that animals live and die by: as above, so below and vice versa


26 posted on 08/08/2020 3:33:15 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: marktwain

BTW not my hypothesis - even Stephen Hawking warned of this same possibility in answer to Fermi


27 posted on 08/08/2020 3:35:05 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: MtnClimber

But like bears coming out of hibernation, watch out for that first, huge dump! It will be galactic!!


28 posted on 08/08/2020 3:49:14 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: PIF
Yes, I recall it being by Hawking.

It is just another far fetched hypothesis, as is the one that any advanced civilization has to be a peaceful Kumbaya type.

Or, the idea that any advanced civilization would have to be Marxist.

Speculation is fun.

But comparing interstellar extermination to biological evolution is silly.

Can't say the civilization hunting and killing bad guys are not out there; they may be.

I suspect it is more likely they would be a techno-war machine gone bad, instead of any rational purpose of gain.

29 posted on 08/08/2020 4:13:24 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: MtnClimber

We can’t see them cause they ain’t there? What a novel idea.


30 posted on 08/08/2020 4:14:54 PM PDT by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and diamonds, and harder to find.)
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To: ZOOKER
We are victims of low intelligence and technology deficit.

Why be so self loathing? Who is to say we aren't the most advanced civilization in the universe?

31 posted on 08/08/2020 4:34:19 PM PDT by fso301
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To: freedumb2003

Is it perpetual summer in outer space?
(aestivation is the opposite of hibernation).


32 posted on 08/08/2020 4:53:46 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: marktwain

Read Remembrance of Earth’s Past: The Three Body Problem; The Dark Forest; Death’s End by Cixin Liu.


33 posted on 08/08/2020 4:54:00 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: MtnClimber

The Berserker theory is one possible answer, civilizations gets so advanced and then are noticed by the galactic exterminator who points a gamma ray burst at the cockroaches. Another could be that the urge to explore is simply exceedingly rare. Another could be that so far everyone invariably falls into a virtual reality hole when their tech reaches that level.

Freegards


34 posted on 08/08/2020 5:19:06 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: PIF
I gave up on Science Fiction two decades ago.

Lots of fun..., a better addiction than Meth, Heroine, Alcohol, or TV, but no where near as good as real history.

35 posted on 08/08/2020 5:32:14 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: MtnClimber

Intelligent life elsewhere? We don’t even have Intelligent Life here!!


36 posted on 08/08/2020 6:31:07 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: MtnClimber

We’ve only been broadcasting radio waves for 100 years. 100 light years is a pinhead on the universe scale.


37 posted on 08/08/2020 6:39:34 PM PDT by Basket_of_Deplorables (This is all a communist plan!)
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To: marktwain
What is the purpose of killing off other civilizations, when there is no gain from it?

Just for the sake of pre-emptive pest control maybe...In the "Killing Star" Zebrowski and Pellegrino postulate aliens who really don't care for the possibility of upstart competition and act as soon as it become obvious that humanity is sending out relativistic spacecraft.

It's also possible that the reason might be incomprehensible...because they're aliens after all...

38 posted on 08/08/2020 10:06:09 PM PDT by no-s
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To: marktwain

I only recommended those particular books because they give a better explanation of the Dark Forest Theory and because of the insights into Mao’s Cultural Revolution for the real history angle


39 posted on 08/09/2020 2:48:30 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: noiseman

Any alien advanced enough to reach Earth from so far a distance should also be advanced enough to overcome whatever environmental factors they are dealt with.

“Hey Xyt67 - I’m cold!”

“Hold on - the signal is weak, but I’m getting most of it from Earth - a show on how to build igloos!”


40 posted on 08/09/2020 2:58:22 AM PDT by 21twelve (Ever Vigilant. Never Fearful!)
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