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Statins may not slash the risk of dying from heart disease: Controversial study claims the cheap cholesterol-busting pills offer no 'consistent benefit'
Daily Mail (UK) ^ | 3 August 2020 | ELEANOR HAYWARD

Posted on 08/04/2020 3:27:29 PM PDT by Mount Athos

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To: Texas Fossil

Liked your recipe for ginger.

I bought some fresh ginger root a while back without knowing what to do with it.

It sat around on the counter top till it got really dried out, so I chunked it.

Big help. Thanx


41 posted on 08/04/2020 4:18:57 PM PDT by thinden
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To: antidisestablishment

I tried 3 different statins and could not tolerate any of them. MD wanted to try a 4th and I said no and found an MD who listened. Followed her when she started her own practice in 2012. I do red rice yeast and niacin at night and it’s been fine for years. BP is good with low dose meds and I have lost some weight and bike 3x a week.


42 posted on 08/04/2020 4:24:19 PM PDT by bravo whiskey (Never bring a liberal gun law to a gun fight.)
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To: Mount Athos

I’ll just quit my statins and watch my cholesterol level go over 300 again.

No problem...


43 posted on 08/04/2020 4:25:13 PM PDT by moovova
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To: Mount Athos

L8r


44 posted on 08/04/2020 4:29:04 PM PDT by preacher ( Journalism no longer reports news, they use news to shape our society.)
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To: Texas Fossil

I eat raw oatmeal and Wheaties, fresh fruit and 1% milk 6 days a week for 35 years. Pipes are clean as a whistle per recent cardiac catheterization. Electrical system - not so hot.


45 posted on 08/04/2020 4:30:03 PM PDT by anton
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To: anton

seen some good arguments that the issue is inflammation not cholesterol.


46 posted on 08/04/2020 4:35:59 PM PDT by orionrising
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To: mlo

Honest question - plaque build up is a symptom of what?
I am trying to stay off of statins, but my cholesterol is sky high, regardless of significant dietary and lifestyle changes.
Thanks in advance,
Tatt


47 posted on 08/04/2020 4:48:08 PM PDT by thesearethetimes... (Had I brought Christ with me, the outcome would have been different. Dr.Eric Cunningham)
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To: bravo whiskey

Thank you for your reply. I’m pretty sure I’ll have to find a new doc, if I go off them, but I am ready to try about anything. I feel like I’ve aged 30 years in the last five. Of course, it’s hard to tell with the arthritis— I could hardly walk when I got diagnosed. Seems to come and go.


48 posted on 08/04/2020 4:49:56 PM PDT by antidisestablishment
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To: Mount Athos

HA. Lipitor dropped my cholesterol from 660 to 180, so...

Yes. It was that high. My liver was going bonkers and overproduced.


49 posted on 08/04/2020 4:55:43 PM PDT by Tacrolimus1mg (Do no harm, but take no sh!t.)
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To: anton

Good healthy diet.


50 posted on 08/04/2020 4:57:44 PM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: Fungi

you just described my diet, i don’t take any pharmaceuticals


51 posted on 08/04/2020 5:00:10 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos

Everyone needs to study hyperinsulanemia and insulin resistance. It leads to diabetes, heart disease and dementia. Cholesterol is an essential human hormone and statins are snake oil.


52 posted on 08/04/2020 5:10:51 PM PDT by Oklahoma
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To: Oklahoma

What do you recommend to prevent or treat insulin resistance


53 posted on 08/04/2020 5:18:40 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Texas Fossil

Marked


54 posted on 08/04/2020 5:19:39 PM PDT by winodog
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To: Mount Athos

Understanding via my doctor is that statins have a chance of being helpful in reducing arterial plaques if started at a fairly low age and used consistently. Starting statins in late middle age or thereafter is good for drug companies.

Just as the Clintons taught us how skillful liars use words to hide in plain sight, the political games over hydroxychloraquine show us how easy it is to design “studies” that look at anything but the correct way to use meds. Studies of statins started in the elderly will be “no measurable effect” every time. We’d have to review the design of every study to know if this 30+ study roundup has validity.


55 posted on 08/04/2020 5:24:41 PM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: Mount Athos

Doctor prescribed me Atorvastatin. I call it Anna Torv Statin. I don’t take it, makes my liver hurt.


56 posted on 08/04/2020 5:42:44 PM PDT by real saxophonist (Masks are not about controlling a virus. Masks are about controlling people.)
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To: Mount Athos

Two docs wanted me to take these and I declined. My new doc said he would not insist because studies have shown no increase in life span. Happy I never started them.

I think there are other big pharma solutions in search of a problem.


57 posted on 08/04/2020 5:44:36 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (We are governed by the consent of the governed and we are fools for allowing it.)
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To: thesearethetimes...
Honest question - plaque build up is a symptom of what?

Good question indeed. The late Dr. Howard Wayne, a cardiologist from San Diego, suggested that plaque buildup is a natural occurrence and not necessarily a disease process. Who knows?

58 posted on 08/04/2020 6:02:06 PM PDT by Salvey
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To: Sequoyah101

pharmaceuticals are highly correlated with doctors getting awesome free golf vacations from pharmaceutical salesmen


59 posted on 08/04/2020 6:07:53 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos

I’ve had high BP, LDL and Trig. Type A personality in IT industry, traveled, ate poorly, yada yada yada.

Late 90s, I took a job relo, new PCP. Dr said if I continue down my current lifestyle I’m going to be putting a heart Dr’s kid thru college due to all the problems I’m going to incur.
Started Atorvastatin - generic LIPITOR, LDL (bad Chol) started coming down, HDL (good Chol) didn’t increase. HDL continues to remain under 40mg/gl. Trigs and BP started to move down also over 3-4 years ending in normal range. Started eating better, lost some weight, moved into job with minimal travel.

Then in 2017, I started getting exhausted. Walking 50ft would wear me out. Dr. cut off of Atorvastatin within days I felt great again. So I went 6 months, using diet and additional exercise, no statin. This failed miserably. LDL, Trigs shot up, LDL up 110%. We moved the dosage around for 18 months. Still wore me out. On my own I stopped taking Ultra DHA and Vit D. Energy returned, then again on my own, I started to increase my Atorvastatin dosage back to where it was. At next annual, LDL, trig returned to normal range, HDL was still below normal.

In summary, one of the 2 OTCs started after 25+ years of interacting negatively with Atorvastatin. As the article stated, LDL adds build up on your blood vessels, as it did mine, High BP. Statin lowered LDL and lowered BP. Wished it worked for everyone that way. Glad it did for me.


60 posted on 08/04/2020 6:11:05 PM PDT by fastrock
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