Posted on 06/21/2020 8:15:20 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel
They’re in too much of a hurry, like everyone else, to appease and placate so don’t think this through.
If you’re going to celebrate slavery emancipation (even though it wasn’t quite true), it’d be Emancipation Day in Sept.
Not some illiterate hick-sounding local event.
I’m pretty sure I’m deeply unworthy to even say the word “juneteenth” much less consider what it means. But I will strive to think of it as little as possible so it won’t be sullied by my thoughts. Which might not be that hard, considering I’m just hearing about it now.
Freegards
Yes. Maybe instead, that should be their date.
“Point is, I’ll bet outside TX, 95% of ANY Americans never heard of it until the last few years.”
My guess is that it will be a national holiday within a year as few in the House and Senate would vote against a Juneteenth Holiday and the President would not veto a Juneteenth Holiday bill.
I’m from Texas so it’s nothing new to me at all. Not sure why they want to make a Texas thing into a national thing though.
You may call someone a liar but Juneteenth has been around in Texas for a long time.
A little history:
The news of General Robert E. Lee’s surrender on April 9, 1865, reached Texas later in the month.[2] The western Army of the Trans-Mississippi did not surrender until June 2.[18] On June 18, Union Army General Gordon Granger arrived at Galveston Island with 2,000 federal troops to occupy Texas on behalf of the federal government.[citation needed] The following day, standing on the balcony of Galveston’s Ashton Villa, Granger read aloud the contents of “General Order No. 3”, announcing the total emancipation of those held as slaves:
The people of Texas are informed that, in accordance with a proclamation from the Executive of the United States, all slaves are free. This involves an absolute equality of personal rights and rights of property between former masters and slaves, and the connection heretofore existing between them becomes that between employer and hired labor. The freedmen are advised to remain quietly at their present homes and work for wages. They are informed that they will not be allowed to collect at military posts and that they will not be supported in idleness either there or elsewhere.[19]
Although this event is popularly thought of as “the end of slavery”, the Emancipation Proclamation did not apply to those enslaved in Union-held territory, who would not be freed until a proclamation several months later, on December 18, 1865, that the Thirteenth Amendment had been ratified on December 6, 1865.[20][a] The freedom of formerly enslaved people in Texas was given legal status in a series of Texas Supreme Court decisions between 1868 and 1874.[21]
The Great Depression forced many black people off farms and into the cities to find work. In these urban environments, African Americans had difficulty taking the day off to celebrate. The Second Great Migration began during World War II, when many black people migrated to the West Coast where skilled jobs in the defense industry were opening up.[26] A revival of Juneteenth began right before World War II began.[17] From 1936 to 1951 the Texas State Fair served as a destination for celebrating the holiday, contributing to its revival. In 1936 an estimated 150,000 to 200,000 people joined the holiday’s celebration in Dallas. In 1938, Texas governor J. V. Allred issued a proclamation stating in part:[27]
Whereas, the Negroes in the State of Texas observe June 19 as the official day for the celebration of Emancipation from slavery; and
Whereas, June 19, 1865, was the date when General Robert [sic] S. Granger, who had command of the Military District of Texas, issued a proclamation notifying the Negroes of Texas that they were free; and
Whereas, since that time, Texas Negroes have observed this day with suitable holiday ceremony, except during such years when the day comes on a Sunday; when the Governor of the State is asked to proclaim the following day as the holiday for State observance by Negroes; and
Whereas, June 19, 1938, this year falls on Sunday; NOW, THEREFORE, I, JAMES V. ALLRED, Governor of the State of Texas, do set aside and proclaim the day of June 20, 1938, as the date for observance of EMANCIPATION DAY
in Texas, and do urge all members of the Negro race in Texas to observe the day in a manner appropriate to its importance to them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juneteenth
Not so: Texas joined the Union in 1845 and joined the Confederacy in 1861.
Actually, I think it’s a great idea. It’s something Republicans are responsible for, and we should embrace it.
And I DARE ANY of you to think for a NANOSECOND that you are more Conservative than me.
Any of you.
Symbolically, it has significance as a proclamation - freeing slaves in the last holdout. There is some historical significance in that. Slaves in all other states but Texas had been given their freedom. Is there a consensus or groundswell to chose this date over the date of Lincoln's proclamation?
It seems a mistake to do anything that rewards the desecration and destruction of statues, memorials and graves of those who fought in the war that ended slavery. The timing could not be more wrong. However I also see this as a step in the wrong direction. It does not heal or bind us together. Reading that so many don't know the meaning and scope of General Granger's order, I don't think a national holiday is warranted.
Finally, my circle of friends has grown smaller and now fewer of them identify as black, but I recall no one who celebrated either date and none who do so now.
Juneteenth should be a National Holiday, being that it is the commemoration of a Republican President emancipating the (literal) slaves of Democrats. To that end the event should be replicated and updated as necessary.
And I dare you. ;-)
I don’t much have a problem with an emancipation day, perhaps as indicated, based on the Amendment. This is better than the Proc because it really didn’t free slaves in union occupation at the time. It was smoke and mirrors.
I do tend to cringe, though, because invariably it is intended just for revenge, to “get whitey” and be anti-American. When they’re all about African flags, it has nothing to do with celebrating freedom and more to do with race.
It could be argued. However, the Amendment makes more sense than the paper tiger EmProc. It really didn’t do anything except for southern secessionist states.
I’ve been in this “diverse” community all my life, had black friends in school, etc. Never through high school at least had I even heard of Kwanzaa, and never heard of Juneteenth until few years ago.
BTW, never heard of Earth Day either, until c 1990 in college. Same age as Kwanzaa, same as me myself, but notice how these things didn’t creep in until after the great Regan era. Socialists were taking over and doing all they can to undermine insidiously.
Don’t be fooled.
Illegals.
Period. To go along with all the pandering to them via everything being in Spanish, etc.
I agree. It is for all of us. We celebrate FREEDOM. Can’t take that away from us!
I agree.
I hate the name juneteenth. It sounds like something someone retarded would say. How can blacks be proud of it?
Kwaanza
I’ve indicated that several times. Sounds like stupid hick ignoramuses.
Yep that’ll win this culture war for sure
And prove how non racist you are
This I don’t like about y’all
You think you don’t own racism
And you think constantly throwing the white south under the bus ....Trumps most loyal political base
Is somehow smart
It’s stupid. And insulting
So shut up
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