High five, al baby! 
Posted on 03/25/2020 9:23:43 AM PDT by kiryandil
Well thanks for that example, although I don’t use television shows to define reality, either.
Solving problems without controlled studies is the entire history of mankind.
Are you this careful with all your decisions & recommendations?
You are aware patients have idiosyncratic reactions and every decision you make is on best available information but you may have to live with consequences on any decision you make?
This decision is no different than all the other decisions to treat a patient with a drug and in many ways much easier. There is a long history (80 years) of safe use in all ages, sexes, in pregnant women. The drug is in use world wide. People are dying without treatment and ~1000 documented COVID-19 patients have been given this drug with excellent results.
And the smokescreen generator drones on.
It's already been pointed out in numerous places that this is ALREADY IN USE for this very purpose.
Your post here is just Loserthink rhetorical blather, trying to carry your dead non-point across the goal line.
And I have already posted we will know in two days if they put everyone in NYC on it today. I have also pointed out there is no reason to wait two days. We have access to an answer now. Why aren’t we getting it?
The answer to your question, if in the affirmative, wouldn’t from my perspective have any weight in directing us not to use the medicine for COVID-19 cases. I think the medicine works.
But it wouldn’t even give cause from your perspective either, because you don’t consider “anecdotal evidence” to be sufficient.
In other words, if the answer to your question is yes, it’s only “anecdotal.”
Actually in his video he is pretty specific. He treats a Hasidim community. In treating 350 patients outpatient all recovered, none became sick enough to require hospitalization.
“We have access to an answer now. Why aren’t we getting it?”
Why do you think we’re not getting it?
Mine does buts waits till Christmas day
No. It actually is not. A retrospective study of mortality is a VERY legit medical question. Thousands of papers are published. We have a “tailor made” retrospective study of mortality that could be done form the 2,000 cases of seriously ill and dead. You can’t tell me none of them were on Plaquenil a month ago. What has happened to them is a very legit question to ask and the answer can be known in milliseconds.
It’s not a new medicine.
Hydroxychloroquine has been used for decades.
Millions of people have taken it for malaria and arthritis.
I was looking for the number of doses yearly in the world. I didn’t find that. I will look for your question as well.
Yes, I always have been “this careful”. It is how I managed to practice Medicine for 40 years without ever being sued. Not once. Can YOUR doctor say that? My patients appreciated that I have always been this careful, my patients were friends, not cattle.
Did you know that wastoute the pettifogging gasbag was on this thread less than two minutes after I posted it?
Which means that he didn't have time to review any of the material.
Which means that he's shooting from the lip, and shooting from his plainly-obvious agenda.
He's not interested in anything except his own "arguments"...
Re 2). In states where they are running trials, you might screw up the trial if you are supposed to be a control but you are taking the meds.
At this point it’s unethical to run a placebo controlled study. There is more than enough evidence that severe patients should get some sort of anti-viral—either a chloroquine, lopinivar plus rotonivir ( standard protocol in China) or remdisivir.
Real problem is that chloroquine in vitro studies have shown its even more effective as prophylaxis so the authorities are trying to preserve it for severe cases.
Priority is to use currently limited supply to treat those in danger of death. As supply allows, we should treat positives because in addition to reducing likelihood of hospitalization, it radically shortens the time that you’re infectious. Third would be prophylaxis for high risk patients and essential healthcare workers.
Thank you!
Much appreciated.
High five, al baby!
I’m confused. They deployed the drug regime across NYC yesterday, thousands of doses. Cuomo announced it Monday and announced the effort in progress Tuesday.
Okay, it’s a legitimate question, but only for academic purposes.
Your question has no legitimacy in the discussion of whether to use this medication to treat coronavirus.
Potential benefit is saving the patient’s life. Potential risk is diarrhea and nausea.
Potential benefits outweigh potential risks.
Risk of not taking it is rapid death from respiratory distress.
See my post #154.
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