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The Battle of Midway
Various | December 1, 2019 | Self

Posted on 12/01/2019 3:22:05 PM PST by Retain Mike

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To: MuttTheHoople
 
 
There were, and it was. And like I said, eventually everyone's perceptions got adjusted down to reality and thus they fought accordingly.
 
 

21 posted on 12/01/2019 4:43:06 PM PST by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: Retain Mike

Ping!


22 posted on 12/01/2019 4:44:42 PM PST by scouter (As for me and my household... We will serve the LORD.)
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To: Retain Mike

Some more things I learned in my research.

There were Japanese planes that had to ditch as they had no carriers to land on after we destroyed them.

Japanese naval journalists were not allowed to report anything about the Midway action. All sailors who knew what happened at Midway were never allowed to return to Japan for the rest of the war. The wounded who were taken back to Japan were restricted to those base hospitals until the end of the war. The Japanese leaders were that scared of the damage to morale any news of the Midway defeat would cause to the general public.


23 posted on 12/01/2019 4:49:32 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

Forgot to add that I saw the new movie and it was worth my time and money.


24 posted on 12/01/2019 4:52:32 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

A passing thought. If you don’t believe in God and the USA explain Midway. Reading history throughout WW2, I cannot figuare out any other way than Devine intervention. The forming of the USA also points directly to our getting help. God, guts, and guns. Our soldiers then and now are the best.


25 posted on 12/01/2019 5:00:57 PM PST by Equine1952 (Get yourself a ticket on a common mans train of thought))
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To: Retain Mike

I have read a couple of books by Japanese pilots. One by Saburo Sakai and another by a torpedo bomber pilot. Both tell of extremely tough training and very high washout rate.

After the war heated up they quit it but too late. I think they really were great pilots but also think they understated Japanese brutality. Also read that no one believes Sakai really shot down 60 planes, but he may have really thought he did.


26 posted on 12/01/2019 5:03:40 PM PST by yarddog ( For I am persuaded.)
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To: All

When at UVA in 1962, my roommate dated a lady named Missy Spruance from Sweetbriar, daughter of the famed Admiral, although he was lesser known to the public then.


27 posted on 12/01/2019 5:08:46 PM PST by bennowens
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To: forgotten man
I did a Google image search and found various newspapers with headlines of 1500-3000 dead and multiple battleships sunk.

I thought that the articles was referring to the relatively light damage to the port itself. If the Japanese had lauched a third wave to attack the oil storage and drydocks the fleet would have had to pull back to San Fancisco or San Diego.

28 posted on 12/01/2019 5:09:03 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Who's the leader of the club that feeds on dead babies? M-O-L... O-C-H... M-O-U-S-E.)
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To: Equine1952
 
 
Also a change in overall strategy. After the war started there were orders for the sub fleet to expressly locate and target Jap capital ships. Consequently subs were being sent to station out in forlorn waters far from concentrations of shipping to take a crack at ships they couldn't catch anyway much less have a hope of lining up a shot at, provided they found anything to shoot at in the first place. That was a blunder that probably prolonged the war in the Pacific, since freight shipping was the lifeblood of their far-flung perimeter and they had a limited fleet to do it with since their manufacturing capacity to replace lost ships was feeble to nonexistent. Each tanker or freighter lost was a keen blow to their effort - even a damaged ship was almost as good as a sunk one since they were so slow and sloppy at repair work.
 
 

29 posted on 12/01/2019 5:12:52 PM PST by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: MuttTheHoople
I will say that the Pacific war was a race war ON BOTH SIDES.

I wouldn't call it a race war. Sure, there was plenty of racism on both sides, but since before biblical times, it has been pretty standard to paint your enemy as an evil monster. By WW2, everyone was pretty good at it. Killing your fellow man is hard, and damaging to the soul. Killing a monster, like the Imperial Japanese and the Nazis, was easy, and you felt much less tortured by it. This went on through Korea, Vietnam, and still goes on in today's wars in the middle east, even to the point of teaching Pali children in school that the Jews aren't even human. Killing without hate is much harder than with it. The challenge is to restore the enemy's humanity after you have won the war. That takes generations.

30 posted on 12/01/2019 5:12:58 PM PST by ETCM
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To: dhs12345

Here are some additional combat photos of the B-17 bomb misses.

https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/OnlineLibrary/photos/events/wwii-pac/midway/mid-4d.htm


31 posted on 12/01/2019 5:15:12 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: KarlInOhio

Oops. I left out that the newspapers were dated Monday December 8, the day after Pearl Harbor.


32 posted on 12/01/2019 5:16:14 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Who's the leader of the club that feeds on dead babies? M-O-L... O-C-H... M-O-U-S-E.)
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To: lapsus calami

Sounds like German Uboat tactics. If you have the time and are inclined read “Clear The Bridge”. By O’Kane about USS Tang. An old submariners motto “if it bigger than a shitcan and floats, it’s a target”. :)


33 posted on 12/01/2019 5:21:57 PM PST by Equine1952 (Get yourself a ticket on a common mans train of thought))
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To: Calvin Locke
 
 
B-17 attacks never were very accurate or effective. So much so Jap skippers weren't even really concerned - they would watch and wait until the B-17 committed to a line of attack, cut a ziggy-zag like in the photos at your link and go on about their business. Now on the other hand, B-25 Mitchells were a terror that was feared and respected.
 
 

34 posted on 12/01/2019 5:23:23 PM PST by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: Retain Mike
Miracle at Midway by Gordon W. Prange

I read this book, probably 20 or more years ago. It was a great read and extensively researched, using the surviving deck logs of both US and Japanese ships, as well as interviews with ship's crew members and pilots. Definitely worth the time to read for anyone interested. The same pilot also wrote a similarly researched book on the Doolittle Raid titled "Target Tokyo: Jimmy Doolittle and the Raid That Avenged Pearl Harbor".

35 posted on 12/01/2019 5:25:32 PM PST by ETCM
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To: Equine1952
 
 
Thing is the Japs had the same hangup about the capital ships - we shook it off, but the Japs never did. They chased after warships till the end.
 
 

36 posted on 12/01/2019 5:27:13 PM PST by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: Retain Mike

The American torpedoes really were a disgrace. Everyone else’s were fine.

The ship my Father’s battalion crossed the English channel on was torpedoed but they were somehow able to set it off before it hit. It still almost turned the LST over and forced it to return to England. May have saved their lives as combat engineers suffered really heavy casualties on D-Day.

They landed several days later when there was almost no fighting going on.


37 posted on 12/01/2019 5:35:02 PM PST by yarddog ( For I am persuaded.)
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To: lapsus calami

The survivors from the Indianapolis will testify to that.


38 posted on 12/01/2019 5:36:17 PM PST by Equine1952 (Get yourself a ticket on a common mans train of thought))
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To: Retain Mike

The Yorktown wasn’t supposed to be available for Midway because of the damage sustained at Coral Sea, but it was made ready in 48hrs instead of the expected 3 weeks.


39 posted on 12/01/2019 5:40:35 PM PST by AU72
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To: blueunicorn6

Their damage control was almost non existent


40 posted on 12/01/2019 5:46:48 PM PST by atc23
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