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Keto diet is not good for you long term - expert warns against popular weight loss plan
(UK) Express ^ | Sept. 4, 2019 | Emily Hodgkin

Posted on 09/04/2019 2:10:56 PM PDT by BobL

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To: JudgemAll

Ketoacidosis is a condition where blood sugars are too high (>240 mg/dL) for many, many hours without insulin available to process the sugars.

Those adhering to a ketogenic diet will minimize the scenario of excess blood sugars as they are consuming <20g net carbs per day.


121 posted on 09/04/2019 6:32:03 PM PDT by ican'tbelieveit
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To: snarkytart

You’re wrong. Do you do keto? I eat lots of fats (up to 70% of calories) so your claim of cutting calories is not accurate. Nor is your claim of eliminating 90% of the foods you can eat. Come back when you know more about it.


122 posted on 09/04/2019 6:37:25 PM PDT by 762X51
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To: YogicCowboy

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/

CONCLUSIONS:
The present study shows the beneficial effects of a long-term ketogenic diet. It significantly reduced the body weight and body mass index of the patients. Furthermore, it decreased the level of triglycerides, LDL cholesterol and blood glucose, and increased the level of HDL cholesterol. Administering a ketogenic diet for a relatively longer period of time did not produce any significant side effects in the patients. Therefore, the present study confirms that it is safe to use a ketogenic diet for a longer period of time than previously demonstrated.


123 posted on 09/04/2019 6:44:17 PM PDT by mlo
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To: YogicCowboy
"The Eskimo Diet is unnatural, and tends to produce osetoporosis."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28561302

Abstract North American Inuit and Inupiat ("Eskimo") populations have been described as having a lower bone mass relative to Caucasians as a consequence of their traditional high-protein "acid-ash" diet. However, this bone buffering mechanism has also been implicated as a risk factor for osteoporosis in industrialized Caucasian populations, and one recent study has found a positive association between dietary protein, and bone mass in premenopausal women. The original studies documenting the Eskimo-Caucasian difference in aging bone loss do not consider the consequences of population variation in body composition, in particular lean body mass (LBM), which correlates with bone mass. The possibility also exists that the original reference sample may be exceptional rather than normative for bone mineral density (BMD). Regression analysis was conducted on published age- and sex-specific cohort means for BMD, and bone mineral content adjusted for estimates of LBM for the original Eskimo-Caucasian comparisons, and for an additional Caucasian sample from Belgium. Significant differences were found between all groups, including Belgians, and the Wisconsin sample for BMD, supporting the notion of the latter having exceptional bone quality when measured as BMD. When adjusted for LBM, the Eskimo samples are distinct in pattern and magnitude of aging bone loss relative to Caucasians, supporting the hypothesis of real inter-population differences. However, given the current ambiguity surrounding the "protein-calcium buffering" model, an alternative explanation is offered. It is hypothesized that the accelerated bone loss among the Inuit and Inupiat reflects higher production and utilization of the thyroid hormones, T4 and T3 , as a mechanism of cold adaptation through enhanced nonshivering thermogenesis. Am. J. Hum. Biol. 9:329-341, 1997.

124 posted on 09/04/2019 6:47:59 PM PDT by mlo
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To: YogicCowboy
"A very-high protein diet without compensatory alkaline foods is systemically highly acid-forming, promoting calcium loss long term."

Keto is not high protein, again.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00198-018-4534-5

"There is no evidence that diet-derived acid load is deleterious for bone health. Thus, insufficient dietary protein intakes may be a more severe problem than protein excess in the elderly. Long-term, well-controlled randomized trials are required to further assess the influence of dietary protein intakes on fracture risk."

125 posted on 09/04/2019 6:52:42 PM PDT by mlo
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To: mlo

I’ve heard of “fast carbs” (e.g. grain, rice, pasta) versus “slow carbs” (green leafy stuff, broccoli et al.), and I’d always thought the latter would fill any healthy “need” for carbs...is this not the case? Is there really no difference?


126 posted on 09/04/2019 6:59:11 PM PDT by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy...and call it progress")
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To: BobL

Over Six months ago I cut the carbs and sugar to see if it would help the blood pressure and it most certainly did. I do have two glasses of red wine in the evening, but my sugar and carb intake is nothing compared to what it was. Best of all, the anxiety is gone. Maybe on my birthday I will order a pizza and drink a coke, but I doubt it.


127 posted on 09/04/2019 7:07:57 PM PDT by TBall
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To: BobL

Big pharma, big food and big medical must be losing money


128 posted on 09/04/2019 7:10:33 PM PDT by Califreak (If Obama had been treated like Trump the US would have been burnt down before Inauguration Day)
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To: ConservativeMind

That paper is a gem. This had my head swivel around like the exorcist: “These lasting outcomes are likely to rely on epigenetic changes.”


129 posted on 09/04/2019 7:22:15 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Califreak

“Big pharma, big food and big medical must be losing money”

The stakes here are so astronomically high that it’s next to impossible to even imagine them.

For a thought experiment, think of 5 random food joints, and then remove the carbs and imagine what’s left: McDonald’s without buns, fries, ketchup, and just plain bits of chicken (rather than breaded McNuggets). Italian places with virtually empty menus. Same for many other places, including top end. Supermarkets with 2/3’s of their products simply gone. Half of the vegetables gone, all of the bakery gone. It would be like a dystopian sci-fi movie.

Then for drugs and medicine. Diabetes alone is about 10% of all health care spending. I suspect that high carbs and diabetes-related issues could be as much as another 20% (starting with complications due to obesity - joint replacement, heart problems, lost work time, etc.).

It would be on the order of 10% of all US jobs lost or displaced. Obviously all for a good reason, but many of those 20 million people will fight tooth and nail to protect their little cash cow, as we’re now seeing.


130 posted on 09/04/2019 7:43:47 PM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart - I just don't tell anyone.)
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To: 762X51; mlo; snarkytart
Two quick notes:

mlo's post #64 explains what's going on succinctly.
131 posted on 09/04/2019 8:27:44 PM PDT by kiryandil (The Media & the DNC tells you who you're gonna vote for. We CHOSE Trump.)
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To: BobL; Califreak
It would be on the order of 10% of all US jobs lost or displaced. Obviously all for a good reason, but many of those 20 million people will fight tooth and nail to protect their little cash cow, as we’re now seeing.

They'll kill you and others with type 2 diabetes to protect their cash cow.

132 posted on 09/04/2019 8:29:35 PM PDT by kiryandil (The Media & the DNC tells you who you're gonna vote for. We CHOSE Trump.)
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To: bgill

I use riced cauliflower as a rice substitute.


133 posted on 09/04/2019 8:31:33 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Mr Rogers

Keto and IF is life changing, I can’t imagine going back to the old way. It’s easy to do because it eliminates a lot of decision points regarding what to eat.


134 posted on 09/04/2019 8:33:59 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: M1903A1; mlo
I’ve heard of “fast carbs” (e.g. grain, rice, pasta) versus “slow carbs” (green leafy stuff, broccoli et al.), and I’d always thought the latter would fill any healthy “need” for carbs...is this not the case? Is there really no difference?

Fast carbs are "simple carbs" and slow carbs are "complex carbs":

https://www.healthline.com/health/food-nutrition/simple-carbohydrates-complex-carbohydrates#simple-carbs

135 posted on 09/04/2019 8:34:02 PM PDT by kiryandil (The Media & the DNC tells you who you're gonna vote for. We CHOSE Trump.)
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To: zlala

I had a few scoops of Rebel Ice Cream tonight.


136 posted on 09/04/2019 8:37:51 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: BobL

Keto insists on the body being in ketosis. For certain conditions, ketosis is wonderful. There are side effects. Digestive slowdown, moods might be lowered. Bad breath.

The way to prevent that is to make sure to have among your carbs enough resistant starch to feed your gut biome well.

Also, if your body doesn’t need ketosis for healing, low carb and going in and out of ketosis is easier and less side effects than trying to remain always in ketosis.


137 posted on 09/04/2019 9:05:29 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: BobL

Add me to your list please.


138 posted on 09/04/2019 10:02:41 PM PDT by xenia ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." George Orwell)
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To: jacquej

My knowledge comes from having been involved in bodybuilding,although I never did steroids.

In general, your diet should be 20-25% protein, 20-25% fat and 50-60% carbohydrates. If you need to cut calories, it should always come from the
Carbohydrates. Unused carbohydrates is turned into blood sugar. Excess blood sugar gets stored as fat once it’s processed. The problem of carbohydrates comes from processed carbs, because it provides a sudden floor of glucose, that cannot be used by the body and will invariably be stored as fat.

Is that better? :)


139 posted on 09/04/2019 10:56:39 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death by cultsther)
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To: xenia

You’re in!


140 posted on 09/05/2019 1:15:44 AM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart - I just don't tell anyone.)
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