Posted on 10/17/2018 10:38:26 AM PDT by dennisw
And, obviously, no right to defend her own home from someone who refused to show he belonged there.
Got it.
Your viewpoint is seriously skewed.
“He needs his key fob to enter the building otherwise he can’t enter the front door.”
The article indicates he lives in the building.
He has a right to enter, and enter without obstruction.
I live in an apartment.
If someone tried to enter while I’m entering using my fob, I ask them to show me their fob. If they can’t, I tell them they are trespassing.
That simple.
“I ask them to show me their fob. If they can’t, I tell them they are trespassing.”
No one in this incident were trespassing.
Had any one of the two people involved been trespassing, they would have been cited by the police.
And yet the man refused to show the woman he belonged.
A question for you, a real 2017 newbie to this sight: Do residents of a building with a security system have a right to ask other residents to show that they have a right to enter the building? Or are they required to trust everyone’s word, no matter what?
No, if someone walks up to me on my property and asks me to present my credentials, I tell them to get lost.
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Yeah, but if her rationale in stopping this man was that he didn’t have an access token, they she’s justified in making a beef.
HOW she did it may be questionable. If he couldn’t produce an access token THAT she did it was not questionable.
So, did he or didn’t he?
They have the right to ask, but no one is required to show their key fob or any other type of credentials.
Would you feel the same way if the same thing happened and the guy was White?
We shall end this conversation and agree to disagree.
You do not own the property. You are one of a hundred or more renters. False premise, and a less than intelligent one at that.
He is not required to prove to anyone that he lives there.
And the other resident is NOT required to allow entry, either. That is the part you seem unable to understand.
If the individual cannot open the door on their own that cannot demand entrance. That is the crux of this matter.
But you would rather be wounded for the pride of the man.
I never did say this incident had anything to do with race.
“And the other resident is NOT required to allow entry, either.”
She cannot prohibit residents from entering the building.
So, what you are saying is that though you don’t pay rent, that if you are seen roaming the halls and are asked by a current resident if you actually reside there, the person roaming the halls has a RIGHT to be there, and should not be reported as a trespasser?
Because the act of moving across the threshold of someone’s house, even if the door is wide open, if that house is not yours is breaking and entering.
As a renter, with a legal right to be there, and an interest in your own security, if somebody asks you to produce a key, and you can’t, then you’ve got a problem.
I have been in running gear, gone in through the open garage gate, been challenged for my key by another renter, and WAS GRATEFUL.
They should be asking me for a key, because if you see something you should say something.
So, disagree.
“So, what you are saying is that though you don’t pay rent, that if you are seen roaming the halls and are asked by a current resident if you actually reside there, the person roaming the halls has a RIGHT to be there, and should not be reported as a trespasser?”
That does not seem to be the case in this situation.
But, should she not know the person is a resident, how can she decide? The man has the responsibility to show he is a resident. Unlocking his condo door suffices - but requires that she accompany him (as, apparently, she did).
Or, he could have shown the fob that proves he lives there.
Trust, but verify.
Because he came through the door she had open instead of using his FOB to open the main security door, he slid by her while she had it open..it’s called tailgating. Maybe you’re not getting how security works?
Now that all the facts are in, perhaps not.
At the time, however, she may have asked, he may have been a tool about it.
If he had taken an attitude about it, it would have been a flag that maybe he didn’t live there.
Again, not sure I would have reacted the way she did, but then again I had a woman walk up to me at a fuel pump and threaten me with violence because I was using the edge of a gas station squeegie in a way she didn’t agree with.
I put my finger up in that instance, got the bat out of the front seat of my car, and used it to point to the surveillance camera and advised her not to take another step closer.
What possesses a woman half my size to think they should initiate a confrontation with a random man at a gas pump is beyond my ken.
I have no idea why women do the things they do, but it doesn’t deter me from being a flummoxed student of their actions.
"...walking the dog..."
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