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On this Date in 1864
Posted on 06/19/2018 5:30:41 AM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: DiogenesLamp
Myths are written by the people who lose, and it colors everything they did as good, and everything the winners did as bad.
It's just another form of propaganda.
To: DiogenesLamp
...but at this point the powers in Washington didn't care about law or the constitution, they were reveling in the raw exercise of power. Interesting comment. I'm having a fascinating discussion with Jeffersondem on just how the powers in Richmond didn't care about the law or the Constitution but just the raw exercise of unfettered power.
To: DoodleDawg
His status as a legitimate Brigadier General is suspect. He was never confirmed to that rank by the Confederate Senate.
To: Bull Snipe
His status as a legitimate Brigadier General is suspect. He was never confirmed to that rank by the Confederate Senate. I believe the rebel senate was on the run by then.
To: DiogenesLamp
The issue of the Legitimacy of the Confederate state was determined 152 years ago. It is a closed case.
To: DoodleDawg
To: DoodleDawg
I’m not going to indulge your childish “they did it too!” argument. Bad behavior on the part of another doesn’t justify other people’s bad behavior.
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posted on
06/20/2018 9:03:08 AM PDT
by
DiogenesLamp
("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
To: DoodleDawg
Except the motive to lie about something is more powerful for the people who stole the money than those who lost it.
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posted on
06/20/2018 9:04:07 AM PDT
by
DiogenesLamp
("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
To: Bull Snipe
The issue of the Legitimacy of the Confederate state was determined 152 years ago. It is a closed case. It wasn't debated, dissent was simply crushed with guns and cannon fodder. "Legitimacy" has nothing to do with it. It was an exercise in raw power.
The North simply attacked the South because they meant to impose their will in the other's lands.
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posted on
06/20/2018 9:07:33 AM PDT
by
DiogenesLamp
("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
To: DiogenesLamp
Except the motive to lie about something is more powerful for the people who stole the money than those who lost it. One could argue it's the losers who have more of a motive to lie in order to justify their futile cause and the hundreds of thousands of deaths that they are responsible for. But unlike you I'm not looking at this from the losers Confederate standpoint.
To: DiogenesLamp
Im not going to indulge your childish they did it too! argument. That's fine with me. I'll leave you be to indulge in your other childish arguments.
To: DiogenesLamp
And they were successful at it.
To: DoodleDawg
One could argue it's the losers who have more of a motive to lie in order to justify their futile cause and the hundreds of thousands of deaths that they are responsible for. And yet who is standing their holding the loot? Where is the money?
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posted on
06/20/2018 10:58:23 AM PDT
by
DiogenesLamp
("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
To: DoodleDawg
Without your participation, there aren’t any childish arguments in which I indulge.
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posted on
06/20/2018 10:59:36 AM PDT
by
DiogenesLamp
("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
To: Bull Snipe
Yes, they've had a much better run than the Nazis, but lately with all this swamp draining going on, they may finally be brought to an account for their actions.
The Washington/New York influence system is a corrupt cesspool that has been feeding off of the rest of the nation since the 1850s. Let us hope it is finally coming to it's Armageddon.
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posted on
06/20/2018 11:02:10 AM PDT
by
DiogenesLamp
("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
To: DiogenesLamp
Without your participation, there arent any childish arguments in which I indulge. I may be your muse but the childish arguments are all yours.
To: DiogenesLamp
And yet who is standing their holding the loot? Where is the money? To the victors go the spoils. To the initiator goes the blame. The South was responsible for all those deaths.
To: DiogenesLamp; jeffersondem
“Brown also learned much about Massachusetts’ mercantile elite; while he initially considered this knowledge a curse, it would prove to be a boon to his later activities in Kansas and at Harper’s Ferry. The business community had reacted with hesitation when Brown asked them to change their highly profitable practice of selling low-quality wool en masse at low prices. Initially, Brown naively trusted them, but soon realized that they were determined to maintain their control of price-setting.”
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posted on
06/20/2018 11:26:57 AM PDT
by
DiogenesLamp
("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
To: DiogenesLamp
"In the Ohio Cultivator, Brown and other wool growers complained that the Connecticut River Valley's farmers' tendencies were lowering all U.S. wool prices abroad. In reaction, Brown made a last-ditch effort to overcome the wool mercantile elite by seeking an alliance with European manufacturers. Ultimately, Brown was disappointed to learn that Europe preferred to buy Western Massachusetts wools en masse at the cheap prices they had been getting from them. Brown then traveled to England to seek a higher price for Springfield's wool. The trip was a disaster, as the firm incurred a loss of $40,000, of which Perkins bore the brunt. With this misfortune, the Perkins and Brown wool commission operation closed in Springfield in late 1849. Subsequent lawsuits tied up the partners for several more years."
"D@mn cotton farmers and their free labor!"
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posted on
06/20/2018 11:28:54 AM PDT
by
DiogenesLamp
("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
To: DiogenesLamp
Like the Nazis, they lost the war.
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